Adria to take CityJet Sukhois


The Russian Minister for Industry and Trade, Denis Manturov, has confirmed that the first deliveries of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 aircraft destined for Adria Airways will be built airframes formerly operated by Ireland's CityJet. The aircraft, which were phased out by CityJet last month after Brussels Airlines cut short its wet-lease arrangement for the jets, have been returned to the Sukhoi Civil Aircraft Company (SCAC). Speaking at the sidelines of the International Defence Exhibition in Abu Dhabi, Mr Manturov said, "The aircraft, which will be withdrawn from CityJet, will remain in Europe and there is already a preliminary agreement with an airline from Slovenia". He added that the aircraft will be transferred to Adria.

Adria Airways and the Russian plane manufacturer signed a Letter of Intent for fifteen SSJ100s in November of last year. Last month, the Slovenian carrier advertised job openings for SSJ type-rated pilots. The President of the Sukhoi Civil Aviation Company, Alexander Rubtsov, recently said, "I think that in the first quarter we will sign the contract [with Adria] or maybe even earlier, in February, because based on our plans, the first deliveries are scheduled for April". According to Mr Rubtsov, Sukhoi will deliver both new and already built airframes to Adria. In late December, the Slovenian carrier registered its own maintenance, repair and overhaul business named Adria Airways Super MRO aircraft maintenance which will be an SSJ100 aircraft Maintenance and Repair Organisation.

CityJet SSJ100 cabin

Brussels Airlines, which has been wet-leasing CityJet SSJ100s, did not renew its contract for the aircraft due to their "challenging maintenance" issues and "childhood diseases". Aside from that, the airline insisted that the SSJ100 remains an "overall good" aircraft. “In general, even a small technical issue needs more time to be resolved than if it was an older type of aircraft. The collective experiences made so far with the SSJ are not yet very extensive. This results in longer maintenance dwell times, obliging Brussels Airlines to adapt its schedules and flight offers on a regular basis", the company said. However, it added, “The SSJ100 offers high comfort and, on a regular basis, we receive positive feedback from our guests about the seat comfort and the large baggage storage space in the overhead bins”. The Russian Minister for Industry and Trade noted yesterday, "These issues have been under discussion for a long time. This is not news. The main problem is that they [CityJet] could not, unfortunately, choose a high-quality business model using the SSJ100. CityJet’s decision to return the Sukhoi aircraft was not related to its quality or maintenance".




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  1. Why not? This makes absolute sense.

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    1. Not for a strangling airline like JP.
      Such an unreliable aircraft firming the majority of their fleet will be the final nail in the coffin.

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  2. This will be quite the transformation for Adria.

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  3. I must say the cabin looks nice.

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    1. +1
      and I doubt Adria will change it.

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    2. Cabin is miles ahead than those of existing CRJs (not to mention Q400).

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    3. Nice place for passengers to wait during all those technical problems they will have!

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  4. But if these aircraft broke down regularly the same thing will happen at Adria and we will have a repeat of the Saab story.

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  5. Will they also get their pilots and cabin crew?

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    1. Why would they? They are not wet-leasing the planes. But I assume some Cityjet pilots might apply for the job openings Adria has.

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    2. Cityjet pilots will have to take a huge pay cut.

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  6. Slovenia loves Russia.
    First SU SVO-LJU daily and now Superjet Ruski planes.
    JU will likely follow JP's decision.

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    1. Every new aircraft type has teething issues at the beginning. But, SSJ is not a new aircraft. It's been in service for more than 8 years.

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    2. Maybe the feeling is mutual.
      SU upgrades equipment on some days. Weekend flights were done by A320.

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    3. I don't expect that JU will do the same as JP. SSJ100 is cheap plane but have issues with maintenance and crew shortages. I expect that Vucic will continue to balance between EU/US and Russia with sticking to the Airbus/Boeing in civil aviation and with Russia for military.

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    4. Or OU will follow JP regarding to the owner of the company

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  7. I think this perfectly highlights just how dire a condition Adria are now in. There is only so long they can rage against the dying of the light.

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  8. 15 SJJs? Does this mean they will introduce new routes and offer more frequences? OTherwise what will they do with all those aircrafts?

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    1. If we go by with the experience of the other western SSJ operators you need 15 aircraft to fly a schedule that would require only 7-8 Boeing's or Airbuses! :D

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    2. lol :D
      i would be nervous flying them tbh..

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  9. The challenge will be at airports outside of LJU. If there is a technical problem or the ac needs to exchange a spare part, there wont be the assistance they hve at LJU. This was also mentioned by LX in terms of their CS 100/300 operations.
    Btw visited last week LX flt ops in ZRH. They cnfd they were very satisfied with JP performance of ZRHLUG flights. JP performance is better than OS ops with their Dash 8

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    1. Yes spare parts were cited as a major issue for Brussels Airlines as well. We will see how this turns out.

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    2. Interesting statistic - the replacement pools with spare engines are established, currently:
      22pcs - in Russia, for their airliners
      18pcs - in Russia, exclusively for Aeroflot
      23pcs - in France, by Safran
      https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2018/12/04/788384-rosteh-pozabotitsya-naleta-ssj100

      If this data is correct, there is more then 60 engines dedicated for replacement purpose only. That is huge number comparing to number of airplanes sold, it shows how disastrous situation with engine is.

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    3. +1
      It is a suicidal move by JP.

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    4. So when they have no spare-parts they're wrong. When they over-provision spare-parts they're also wrong. Are you for real?!!

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    5. Ratio between spare engines and total number of sold airplanes show how really huge is percentage of failures. They are not over-provisioning spare engines but just trying to meet demand.
      Read the posted article, do some math.

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    6. Don't be stupid. It writes precisely that the issue is with the French supplier of the engine parts so think twice before calling it a 'Russian' problem.

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    7. A quick look on flight radar will show you what a load of bulshit that Vedomosti article is:

      https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ra-89109

      So much for an aircraft flying on average 'three hours a day'.

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    8. These random aircraft operate about 6 cycles each day:

      https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/xa-ver

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    9. First, nobody called it "Russian" problem. You are delusional & making things up. At the end, what is important is if that aircraft has issues or not. I don't care who made which part, maybe it is important to you.
      Second, in article 3 hours per day refers to average time of flying in Russia in 2017, you have trouble with reading? Need a quote?

      When you look at deliveries, you'll see that dedicated engine replacement pool for Aeroflot who is biggest operator of SSJ is ~30% of total number of operating aircraft. It is almost "pay 1, get 1 for free".
      And the issue is still not resolved, they are just finding ways to patch things up.


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  10. Why do AdriaAneed these aircraft? They already have Saab's that are being stored, and their other aircraft are under utilised. Where is the money coming from? They must be money laundering!

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  11. Hopefully they don't get enough pilots ....

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  12. Will Adria be the only western airline with Sukhois?

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    1. After Mexico's Interjet gets reed of theirs they will be!

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    2. Is interjet planning on withdrawing the SSJs from service?

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    3. They are slowly phasing out the aircraft. They are getting rid of seven at the moment. The issue is that the SSJ is the backbone of their fleet after the A320 so they can't just retire all of them at once.

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    4. As Interjet starts introducing more NEOs to their fleet they will replace all of the SSJs.

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  13. top lista nadrealista

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  14. I would book a ticket with Adria just to try out this bird :D

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  15. Ako su nemci spremni da plate jos desetine miliona guitaka,avioni ce stici u Adriu,u suprotnom Suhoi nece videti Ljubljanu.

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  16. I think there is some wider story in relation to this Sukhois. Maybe 4K does plan on acquiring some other airline and transferring some of these aircraft. I just don't see why Adria would need 15 of these.

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    1. I think so too. Possibly Croatia Airlines or Montenegro Airlines.

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    2. I hope their respective governments see what's happened with Adria.

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    3. But what has so dramatically happened with Adria compared to the past? Losses have been somewhat decreased, they have gotten new planes, route network is more or less the same as before...

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    4. They really are in talks with both Montenegrin and Croatian governments.

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    5. If 4K's plan is to merge Croatia with Adria and still get 15 SSJs, then the model would be to lease out most if not all existing CRJs, Q400s and Airbus planes to LH family while replacing surviving JP/OU routes with SSJs. Idea is that revenue from leasing out BBD/Airbus would be greater than lease/maintenance cost for SSJs. If that works out, LH would keep JP/OU as a primary feeder to their OS/LX/LH hubs and let combined JP/OU cover Balkans, all with SSJ fleet.

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  17. If all non-Russian airlines are rushing to get rid of these planes you got to winder what's wrong with them.

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  18. What are they going to do with a total fleet of like 40 planes?

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    1. They will be an ACMI airline. They have already started their transformation.

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    2. This summer for example LH wants to lease Adria's A319s. Adria won't do it because they need the planes but if they had a sizable number of Sukhois they could have gotten some good cash for the Airbus lease.

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    3. The point is that western built planes will fly for other airlines while Russian planes will be used for Slovenians. Simple as that unfortunately.

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    4. Tako Slovenci dobijaju Ruse od Nemaca. Priceless.

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  19. Добро пожаловать!

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  20. Plane will look good in Adria's livery.

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  21. While most seem to be negative about this plane I think it's a good addition for Adria. A 100 seater is exactly what they need. The Airbuses are too large for 90% of the year, while the Bombardiers too small. Perfect aircraft for the airline.

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    1. But why Sukhoi? Why not some of Bombardiers newer planes?

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    2. Simple - money.

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    3. Any reasonable airline which has 11 CRJs in their fleet, would opt for CRJ1000 if they needed a 100-seat aircraft.

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    4. Bombardier represent a far better fit.

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    5. The "problem" with Bombardier aircraft is that they don't come for almost free.
      The Canadians just like the Americans, the Brazilians and the Europeans want to get paid for supplying you with aircraft!

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    6. Bloody capitalists! :)

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  22. So we will have them on scheduled flights from 2019 summer season?

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    1. Yes. I wonder which destinations will be the first with these planes.

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    1. They will need lots of it...

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    2. Bravo InterJet, Brussel and CityJet. Bez vasih otkazivanja aviona ovo ne bi bilo moguce

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  24. It's pointless to comment on Adria, since we have absolutely no clue on what's going on in the background. Any company in such a poor financial state would have gone bankrupt by now - in any business, let alone aviation with rising fuel prices.

    There seem to be some sort of a deal in the background - maybe not the one Pruger suggested, but something similiar.

    If we look at the facts:
    - they have amassed a multimillion euro loss in the passed year,
    - the company is burdened by enormous debt,
    - the have no strategy,
    - there are very strong indications of 4K draining money from Adria,
    - and the contractors, who are owed huge amounts of cash, are still not pulling the plug.

    And JP is still in business. And aviation experts are still taking 4K seriously.

    So anything can happen - they can announce bankruptcy tomorrow, they can announce some sort of a giant merger with Croatian and Montenegro, they can open a space division and start marketing Moon flights.


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  25. I would have thought it would be unrealistic that they would shift from Bombardier fleet to Sukhois, especially with Ljubljana being the regional Bombardier maintenance service centre. Guess I was wrong.

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    1. A220 would have made much more sense.

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    2. Yes but you should check the pricetag of that aircraft.

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    3. Adria Tehnika doesn't have approval for A220.

      I don't know what is this obsession with the "maintenance centers". Do W6/EZY/FR etc. only base aircraft where they have Airbus/Boeing regional maintenance center? No, because you need such a facility once a year at most.

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    4. JP is unable to budget A220. They do not operate in that league.

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    5. A220 je smeće. Letio na njemu LED-GVA. U ovoj klasi jedino EMB nešto vrijedi

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  26. Congrats Adria. 15 aircraft is huge.

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    1. Almost as huge as their losses or debt :D

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    2. Do we know how long the deliveries will last? They won't get 15 all in the same day.

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    3. There are enough parked SSJs around that they could get them all in one day :D

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    4. LOL, so true!

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  27. So, deliveries scheduled for April and no firm orders have been made approaching end of February?

    Sounds very optimistic.

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  28. The root cause of SSJ's problems lays down with certification and airworthiness issues of this type. Operating Russian manuafctured aircraft in EASA invirovment where Part 21 and CS 25 standards differencase for the two regulatory envirovments could lead to unforseen circumstances of an airline who already struggling in existing situation. Furthermore, more than a year ago Russian President put pressure on (former) minister of transport (Sokolov) asking for action to take in this deregulated sector. Even if SSJ would be the perfect aircraft by explotation and with avialable pool spare parts is not an airplane you want to operate under AOC issued on EASA Form 138/2.

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    1. SSJ is EASA Certified.
      Therefore, ALL of your "argument" are worthless!!!

      Simple as that.

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    2. Care to elaborate further?

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    3. Kremlin’s 2015 decision to strip civil aircraft certification functions performed by the Commonwealth of Independent States’ Air Register of International Aviation Committee (ARMAK) and hand them over to the Federal Air Transportation Agency (Rosaviatsiya), an arm of the Russian government. The Russian government-issued Order 1283 dated November 28, 2015, and other actions that followed have widened differences between the European and Russian legislation bases to such an extent that a number of interstate agreements signed before 2015 lost their value and no longer apply. As a result, new and modified Russian jetliners will need to repeat some two-thirds of the flight-test program already flown in the home country to meet EASA airworthiness requirements.

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    4. Also, a point of interest... SSJ100 is one of the rare (only?) new airliners that are not FAA certified.

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    5. Still, they fly regular flights to USA on Interjet.

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    6. So not true. Intejet USA flights are on A320 and A321, not SSJ.

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    7. That's true. Speaking of Interjet, they've grounded couple of more SSJs. Only 10 out of 22 are flying.

      Speaking of the company JP created for SSJ maintenance. It's been registered since late December, yet doesn't even have a bank account. Looks like your typical success story in the airline business.

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  29. What the!?!?! :O

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  30. The lease rates that 4K will be paying the Russians must be really cheap.

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    1. Very likely.

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    2. The lease rates the Russians will be paying to 4K you mean :D

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  31. We will see if this is only for Adria or will they be used for Montenegro Airlines and Croatia Airlines ;)

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  32. Don'y see the issue. Sukhoi has proved to be safe and reliable.

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    1. It's an issue because of anti Russian hysteria.

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    2. Brussels Airlines and Interjet are very impressed with SSJ's reliability.

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    3. The Putin loving brigade finally made an appearance!!!
      LOL dudes!

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  33. Sukhoj has an option to store the aircraft returned from CityJet or to to avoid embarrassment by finding the new lessee. I can imagine the fee should be on a very very low side.

    Adria can focus on wet lease of the rest of the fleet, or even can introduce short lease with new Sukhoj's, which are by far more comfortable planes in comparison to CRJ's, which are quite a claustrophobic disaster.

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    1. Yes, the CRJ's are such a disaster that Bombardier has sold over 2.000 of them!

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    2. Where did you get this info?

      From 1992 till end of the year 2018 they have total order for little less then 2000.
      CRJ is very strong in America and you can not compeer the financial situation America-Russia.
      Do not forget that Europe Union are against everything that is Russian (except gas and fuel)

      Sukhois have more then 300 orders at the end of the year 2018.

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    3. CRJ might be a disaster from a passenger comfort and technical viewpoint, but the numbers don't lie. It's a money maker for a lot of airlines.

      Passenger comfort in 2019 means nothing in airline business. Look at A380 - one of the most quiet jets, skybar, showers, etc. Production halted after just 16 years. On the other hand, 737 in its all incarnations has been in production for 50 years, even though it's one of the most antique newly produced aircraft on the market.

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  34. Adria recently closed following destinations from Ljubljana: Moscow, Dusseldorf, Warsaw, Kiev, Brač, Bucharest, Dubrovnik, Geneva/Hamburg. If they plan on taking 15 more jets they would not be closing so many existing routes.

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  35. 737 will fly out of Kraljevo soon?!? What airline: Aviolet, Ryan or Pegasus/Turkish?

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  36. https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufthansa-group/brussels-airlines/trip-report-flying-the-sukhoi-superjet-operated-by-cityjet/

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    1. Yes. It's Pininfarina! http://www.internimagazine.com/last_news/news_people/il-primo-sukhoi-superjet-100-di-cityjet/

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    2. Interesting review, including the comments: a couple of guys who actually flew on SSJ100 and have something to say about aviation, followed by one very angry political activist who had a big political message to send. Somehow it resembles the structure of comments on this portal.

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  37. Nije problem što se uzima ruski avion.
    Problem je što se u veljači potvrđuje za travanj dolazak 15 aviona za koje u ovom dijelu Europe ne postoje školovani piloti...

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  38. Ljubljana airport will also get maintenance center for SSJ (while there is already for A320 family & CRJs) and Adria gets nice new jets.There will be even more jets coming to LJU for maintenance and no doubt that SSJ will soon get more orders from EU airlines.

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    1. Yes, it really looks like a great deal for Adria maintenance. They will have huge amount of work with those SSJ coming to them for repair :)

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    2. Yes, now that Adria will get it, everybody will order SSJ. Cityjet returning the entire fleet after 2 years isn't a fiasco, not even close.

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    3. CitiJet was unable maintaining the aircraft - poor trained staff means poor maintenance.This problem will be resolved by Adria Tehnika.

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    4. And yes everybody can order and buy today Airbus or Boeing like Toyota or Hyundai but only a few can afford to get SSJs or Mercedes ;)

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    5. Except SSJ won't be maintaned by Adria Tehnika, but by Adria Airways Super MRO, which at this point hasn't got even a bank account, let alone MRO approval or experience with SSJ maintenance.

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    6. Yes you,re right and the Sukhoi will surely provide some engineers and invest some € in this project which is aimed much beyond than just service for Adria's SSJs.Let see....

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    7. Yes, hopefully same way as they provided support for CityJet or InterJet...oh wait!

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    8. Some people should put down their rose-tintes glasses and see the real picture, which is that SSJ is a colossal disaster.

      Russians have built plenty of good airliners, sadly SSJ is not one of them.

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    9. Today it is very common to be against everything tied to Russia so I understand your "worries" - BUT in all other aspects SSJ is much more economic & comfortable than comparable western jets either CRJs or Embraers not even to mention the price per unit :)

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  39. "Ako gubite dobitak, onda dobite gubitak" - a quote by Grunf, highly respected philosopher, technical expert and intellectual from the Balkans and Asia Minor.

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  40. Ne mogu da izdržim: a koliko je od vas komentatora na ovom blogu videlo avion a da to nije bilo na slici? Koliko od vas zaista zna nešto o SSJ100, a da to nije nivo znanja sa wikipedije? Pitam ovo pošto čitam komentare i prosto ne verujem koliko ovde ima ljudi koji tako hrabro “ocenjuju“ avion!

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