NEWS FLASH
Following the tragic accident of Ethiopian Airlines flight ET302 involving a Boeing 737 MAX 8 aircraft, the European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) has suspended all flight operations of all Boeing model 737-8 MAX and 737-9 MAX jets in Europe. Carriers which frequently used the aircraft type on their flights to the former Yugoslavia included Flydubai, Turkish Airlines and Norwegian Air Shuttle, however, their respective countries have also suspended all commercial flights performed by the jet, as a precautionary measure. This morning, Flydubai's services to both Belgrade and Zagreb were operated by the Boeing 737-800 aircraft instead of the MAX, without any major disruption to its schedule. "EASA is continuously analysing the data as it becomes available. The accident investigation is currently ongoing, and it is too early to draw any conclusions as to the cause of the accident", the authority said, commenting on the Ethiopian crash. At this point, the B737 MAX fleet continues to remain active across North America. The US Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) has said it will not suspend the Boeing 737 MAX. It noted that a review showed "no systemic performance issues" and that there is no basis for grounding the aircraft.
So flydubai will switch again to regular 737 800, Norwegian rarely comes with max, mostly 800...it will be interesting how companies with max in their fleet will lose with this
ReplyDeleteWell Norwegian already at the brink of bankruptsy will have a difficult time...
DeleteNorwegian has said they will demand compensation from Boeing for the aircraft being grounded. I really don't think they have a case though. There is no proof the aircraft is not airworthy and their regulator says the same. They just grounded the plane as a "precaution".
DeleteEven if they did demand compensation, this would require the airline to survive the duration of the lawsuit, which sometimes takes a few years. Many airlines have bitten the dust in the meantime...
DeleteConsider that Norwegian is really big Boeing customer with plenty of 737-800 and Max plus 787 in service and order. So their collapse is not in Boeings interest and I assume they will somehow help them
DeleteBoeing is not in charity business to keep failed airlines afloat.
DeleteIf the investigation into the ET302 crash will prove that the cause was a technical fault akin to the one which had caused the crach of the Lion Air MAX 8, Boeing will have to pay compensation to all the affected airlines. I believe the cost to Boeing has already been calculated to be around 5 billion USD.
DeleteThey aren't in charity business, but their business depends from loyal customers and Norwegian is 100 % Boeing. It won't be good for them if these guys go bust
DeleteGlad that the Yugoslav carriers stick to the good, old Airbus in Toulouse.
ReplyDeleteJU must avoid the Max at all costs if it decides to upgrade its Aviolet base.
The same applies for YM - if they ever decide to lease a 737 again.
OU fleet is Airbus so no worries there.
As for JP, it will be fun to know that the Sukhoi Ruski jets are safer than the American capitalist Boeing planes.
I will avoid this plane especially FZ, TK and LO.
AND finally........lets see how safe the 77X will be. The technology will be the same and borrowed.
As for JP, it will be fun to know that the Sukhoi Ruski jets are safer than the American capitalist Boeing planes.
DeleteNice one :D
732 and classic didn't have those situation and we still fly first 733 so need to investigate what is wrong so I support grounding. Speaking as engineer with almost 20 years of expirience
Delete@Anon at 11:09
DeleteCouple of simple facts aviation enthusiasts should be aware of before attempting to post comments, not knowing those basics raises eyebrows:
1: There are no more Yugoslav carriers.
2: Air Serbia modified cabin on Airbus fleet to be charter layout friendly. They are already using Airbus for charters as 733s leave the fleet. Unified Airbus jet fleet for regular and charter ops has benefits for simplified maintenance, flight crew and operations. MAX is not an option to replace 733.
3: YM never leased MAX. They leased used 500s that fits YMs capacity needs. There is no rational justification for leasing more expensive MAX for YMs needs.
4: 77X has no place in ExYu fleets. It is way too big for any airline in the region and is unlikely do be used by foreign airlines to ExYu destinations. EK as the only current regular operator of current generation 777 to ExYu destination will have more sensible fleet in the future and is more likely to send smaller equipment. No need in ExYu to speculate on future 77X record.
5: Comparing SSJ to Boeing safety record per miles flown is straightforward from technical point of view. However comparing "Ruski jets" to "capitalist Boeing" reveals more sinister or troll-like motives. Your overall lack of knowledge and motives are appaling. Bring more aviation knowledge and facts or expect to be treated the way you deserve.
Pogotovo točka jedan ti je jako važna. Hvala što si nas podsjetio
DeleteAnon 15:07 just yawn with your long, boring comment.
DeleteBoeing has FAILED and just accept it instead of being a drama queen.
Yes, even Messi fails. Live with it.
Additionally, the US did not follow most nations' decision to ban this new thing. This speaks a lot of words.
Now, you may be a fan but sorry, safety and people's lives first.
I suggest you also read some stuff about the DC-10. Its history, design, safety record and such...
@Anon 11:09 and 00:58: When you have no facts to counter, just shift the topic to Messi or something else. Your comment is acceptance of your own failure at aviation topics. When you want to talk trash about aviation, man up and get ready to be destroyed based on facts.
DeleteThe Max is now banned, even in its native America.
DeleteSukhoi foreva. Anon 14:22 ;)
Stopped flying as a precaution, nothing is found wrong with MAX so far. Sukhoi has nothing to do with MAX, they don't compete in the same market segment. It's like saying Mitsubishi forever!
DeleteHow many of old FZ 737 has installed IFE? They fly to BEG/ZAG/SJJ/SKP?
ReplyDeleteThey all have IFE. Yes now they will fly to all those cities since MAX has been taken off the BEG and ZAG route.
DeleteFZ has to ground all MAX, that doesn't matter with EASA
DeleteWhat about sukhoi superjet 100?
ReplyDeleteSSJ-100 didn't kill 400 people in the space of five months unlike the MAX.
DeleteAnd FAA is still sleeping..
ReplyDeleteApparently the air composition and gravity are somehow different over the pond. Other rules of physics apply.
DeleteThis shows what a pariah America has become in the world alike to the USSR in the 90's.
DeleteBoeing has managed this crisis shamefully.
ReplyDeleteFAA is protecting Boeing by not grounding MAX in US. New York Times today..2 American pilots reported similar problems with MAX..Almost identical to lion air but managed to correct it
ReplyDeleteThanks for sharing Julia. Do you know more about this or provide with any source?
DeleteThis plane reminds us of the DC-10 in so many ways.
It had a nasty reputation with so many crashes.
@anon 15:08:
Delete"At least two pilots who flew Boeing 737 Max 8 planes on routes in the United States had raised concerns in November about the noses of their planes suddenly dipping after engaging autopilot, according to a federal government database of incident reports.
The problems the pilots experienced appeared similar to those preceding the October crash of Lion Air Flight 610 in Indonesia, in which 189 people were killed. The cause of that crash remains under investigation, but it is believed that inaccurate readings fed into the Max 8’s computerized system may have made the plane enter a sudden, automatic descent.
In both of the American cases, the pilots safely resumed their climbs after turning off autopilot. One of the pilots said the descent began two to three seconds after turning on the automated system."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/13/world/africa/boeing-ethiopian-airlines-plane-crash.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
Ouch! Not a good time to be a Boeing chief.
DeleteIt seems that this airplane type was manufactured with huge mistakes.
The A320 neo had delays. One thing is a delay and another is an entire crash.
The curious thing is that MH flights that crashed in 2014 were also the same Boeing model and within 4 months period, even though the reasons are quite different.
MH370 crashed on 08.03.2014 while ET302 crashed on 10.03.2019.
Curious facts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines#Incidents_and_accidents
Norwegian did not choose to ground those planes, EASA did, so all the losses should be blamed to Boeing or EASA. I think Norwegian has the case.
ReplyDeleteČitam na nekim drugim forumima da bi problem mogao biti što se zbog većih motora pomaklo težište aviona spram ranijih modela. Volio bih čuti vaše mišljenje vezano za ovo.
ReplyDeleteOficijalni stav Vlade Makedonije
ReplyDeleteCIVIL GOVERMENT AUTHORITIES OF THE REPUBLIC OFMACEDONIA WILL
NOT ALLOW ENTRANCE IN THE MACEDONIAN AIRSPACE OF ANY AIRCRACFT
OPERATORS WITH BOEING 737-8 MAX IN NEXT FEW DAYS 12.03.2019-15.03.2019
Stav crnogorske i Srpske vlade
ReplyDeleteAIRCRAFT OPERATIONS OF BOEING 737-8 MAX AND BOEING 737-9 MAX
INCLUDING TAKE-OFF AND LANDING AT AERODROMES IN SERBIA AND MONTENEGRO,
AS WELL AS OVERFLIGHTS THROUGH AIRSPACE OF MONTENEGRO,
ARE NOT ALLOWED.
SLOVENSKA VLADA
ReplyDeleteIN ACCORDANCE WITH THE SLOVENIAN GOVERNMENT DIRECTIVE SUSPENDING ALL AMERICAN MADE BOEING 737-8 MAX AND 737-9 MAX FOR LANDING.