Adria Airways has concluded short-term wet-leases in order to carry out its operations without disruption, as some of its own aircraft undergo maintenance. The airline is currently utilising a Nordica Bombardier CRJ700 aircraft and a Carpatair Fokker 100 jet. The CRJ700, registered ES-ACF, is sixteen years old, while the Fokker 100, registered YR-FZA, was manufactured 27 years ago. The Slovenian carrier is looking to avoid a repeat of last year when its schedule was affected due to a range of factors, forcing it to fork out significant resources to compensate passengers as a result of flight cancellations. It has cooperated with both airlines in the past.
— Carpatair (@alicarp1) May 2, 2019
Adria Airways currently wet-leases six of its own aircraft to other airlines. Part of its Bombardier fleet is being utilised by Lufthansa, Austrian Airlines and Luxair, while Swiss International Air Lines is operating two of Adria's Saab 2000 turboprops. The Slovenian carrier recently said, "In line with modern economic principles, the direction of growth is also in the ACMI [aircraft, crew, maintenance, and insurance lease] segment, where Adria Airways sees its competitive advantage since we are a company that adapts well to changes in an increasingly demanding environment". It added, "Generally, our focus is on growth and, in line with the trends in the aviation industry, we are intensively checking the possibilities for the expansion of ACMI services".
Adria Airways is likely to lease Bombardier aircraft for the 2020 summer season after its plans to acquire fifteen Sukhoi Superjet 100 jets fell through. Adria's CEO, Holger Kowarcsh, recently said, "Adria will most probably lease Canadian Bombardier planes. The 2020 summer season is now being planned so we will see what sort of fleet is required". Last June, Adria signed a contract to acquire an additional three Bombardier CRJ900 aircraft from lessor Regional One, which were to be delivered in 2019, however, the fate of this agreement is still unknown, with the airline noting the order is "still an option for us".
The Fokker is back :D
ReplyDeleteIt seems to be in good shape. Notice the ancient overhead panel though :D
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipgyDsv_18k
until May 6th because two CRJs are on C Check
DeleteI'm sure it will be leased sometime in the future again. It keeps coming back to Adria :D
DeleteWell Adria has been leasing Carpatair Fokkers on and off again since 2015.
DeleteIs it more profitable for them to wet lease their own fleet and then lease planes for themselves?
ReplyDeleteNo.
DeleteSpeaking of wet leases I notice Adria no longer leases planes to Brussels Airlines, which they did last year.
DeleteThis year Brussels awarded contract to CSA.
DeleteAdria never lease any a/c to SN
DeleteSorry my mistake. I mixed it up.
DeleteIs this Nordica plane the same one Air Serbia will be leasing in the summer?
ReplyDeleteNo, JU is leasing CRJ900, this is 700.
DeleteBut it is the same airline..
DeleteOh I see, thanks
DeleteI'm glad they are leasing more planes. They don't need the same scenario as last year, and their operations have been stable for the most part this year.
ReplyDeleteMany on twitter are still complaining that they haven't received their compensation from last year.
DeleteEU261 costs money, which JP doesn't have.
DeleteI know but isn't there some sort of deadline by which they have to pay out the money?
DeleteWhat is the matter with people? Compensation for what?! Reimbursement and nothing more! Do you get any compensation if your train or bus is cancelled? And yes, train/bus tickets (sometimes) cost more than aircraft tickets. No wonder there is so much workforce exploitation in aviation. Partly it's because of stupid directive such as EU261 and people wanting to fly for peanuts.
DeleteYou can get compensated for cancelled bus or train service!
DeleteNo, EU261 is there because of the nature of the airline ticket pricing. If you paid 200 EUR for a ticket for a flight today and the airline cancells it today, you have to buy a new ticket, but it will not cost you 200 EUR (which is what the airline refunded), but much much more. EU261 is there to ensure the passengers get compensated.
DeleteConversly, if your train is cancelled, you can in most cases take the next one with the same ticket. Or get this one refunded and buy a new one for a very similar price (if not exactly the same), even minutes before departure.
@Anonymous3 May 2019 at 12:10:
DeleteIt doesn't make much sense, does it? If your flight was cancelled, the company should rebook you on another flight (and take care of the expenses) or refund you the money you paid for the ticket. Not give you a specific (often exaggerated) sum of money. EU261 is plain stupid and a mockery to every airline company.
ANON 11:49, tell me, which bus ticket costs less than Adria flights? When someone is having such extortionate prices and for that you fly whole day with 2 stops instead of direct flight (happened to my friend on HAM-LJU), it is the only right thing to demand compensation
Delete@Anonymous3 May 2019 at 19:51:
DeleteOK, let's keep it practical. I buy ticket A-B for 200 EUR 3 months in advance. The airline cancells the flight 2 hours before the flight and I get 200 EUR back, great.
Can I buy myself another ticket for today or tomorrow for 200 EUR? No, and in most cases even 500 EUR wouldn't cover it.
This is why EU261. Airlines hate it, I know, but Adria is one of the rare ones who delay paying out for months and months.
@Anonymous3 May 2019 at 20:55:
DeleteNo, you shouldn't buy yourself a new ticket, the airline should. However, they should not give you money, period! Just a rebooking. Let's face it, other means of transport do not offer nearly as much customer protection as airline industry does.
@Anonymous3 May 2019 at 20:35:
Do you think EU261 applies only to Adria?! What about low cost carriers? Almost every bus/train ticket costs more than a low cost ticket! It's insane.
Debate was about Adria having problems with paying compensations and you said "What is the matter with people?" Adria costumers definitely does not fly for peanuts and they definitely deserve compensation. Debate was not about LCC's and I even think, they do not have so many problems with compensations as Adria have.
Delete@Anonymous4 May 2019 at 00:49: Are you sure about LCCs? Ever heard of Ryanair? If it wasn't for EU261 none of the companies would be affected. Adria included. So my point is still valid.
DeleteAre you just saying, Adria wouldn't have financial problems if there was no EU261? Lol. Ryanair is in much better condition and is also more reliable than Adria for a long time.
Delete@Anonymous4 May 2019 at 11:28:
DeleteErrr, no. I'm saying that airline pax are spoiled. They want (cheap) free tickets and they want to make money if anything does not go according to plan. It's like buying a product with a defect and then asking the manufacturer to pay you more money than you paid for the product itself. It doesn't work that way, does it? Except in aviation.
In case of Adria nobody is getting cheap tickets and absolutely nothing is wrong with people demanding compensation if they paid their crazy prices and for that money they got 3 flights via half an Europe. The other thing are LCC but Adria has absolutely no right to comply about EU261. LJU-BRU return costs as much as return MXP-NYC, you can not then say to people "what is wrong with you" if they demand compensation ...
DeleteOk, for the last time. My comment was about EU261 in general. I guess you just have an axe to grind against Adria. And yes, EU261 is unfair and is in (small) part responsible for the deterioration of conditions in airline industry.
DeleteSeems they learned a lesson last year and are now prepared for summer season with no cancellations ! Great job Adria ! Let’s hope for some new destinations next year !
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DeleteGreat job Adria? Woow!!!!
DeleteWhat's going on with that ATR? I noticed it has been sitting in Ljubljana for 5 days.
ReplyDeleteATR come into check to Solinair and not fly for Adria
DeleteWhat is Solinair going to do with that ATR?
DeleteMaintenance!
DeleteIt seems like a messed up company to me, leasing planes and yet a fleet of Saab's are sitting doing nothing.
ReplyDeleteI think the main problem with the Saabs is not of technical nature but rather that they don't have crew for these planes.
DeleteNo one wants to train for an obsolete aircraft.
check the FR24 and you see that 2 Saab fly from LJU every day
DeleteYes but they have 6 in total.
Delete2 are in LUG on storage, 2 fly for LX and 2 are in LJU
DeleteIs Adria paying for the two in storage?
DeleteAs predicted those SAABs have become a headache for them since spare parts are limited and the plane is expensive to operate.
DeleteThey easily and for a cheap price for those Saabs that they can offer to the ACMI market. They now have 50, 70, 90 and 150 saeters which makes lease offers more attractive.
DeleteThey have too many aircraft anyway.
DeleteFor which routes they need 2 Saabs for Swiss exactly? They just fly Lugano-Zurich, 4 times per day and for that they need one plane, not 2. So, in reality they fly 3 Saaba out of 6 which they leased.
DeleteShouldn't you do major maintenance work on aircraft before the season?
ReplyDeleteOr you should have sufficient fleet to maintain schedule despite scheduled heavy maintenance...
DeleteBut this is Adria, what did you expect? On their website it says they have 58 years of experience, but still didn't learn how to plan fleet utilisation throughout the year.
Their brand has been completely tarnished in the last few years under German management.
DeleteFrom what I heard spare parts were late in arrival.
DeleteLack of spare parts for heavy maintenance is a poor excuse, especially when you do your maintenance in "authorised regional center for Bombardier".
DeleteI think it's more the case of a lack of spare money than spare parts.
DeleteGood on them. Concluding ACMI contracts is not easy. Adria has too many planes, this way they earn some money.
ReplyDeleteLong term survival is going to be difficult. One has to keep coming up with these ACMI deals in order to keep the income.
DeleteIt's surprising that Croatia Airlines has never done this. The airline has too much capacity during winter but they have never even considered ACMIs to others. Why?
DeleteBecause there was never any creativity at OU. Before Kucko left he did say that Croatia Airlines has to develop in the ACMI segment but that initiative ended when he left.
DeleteBecause all this government-run union-populist airlines are rarely good at doing innovative ACMI business.
DeleteWho needs A320 wet lease in Europe in the winter? Nobody. How many of spoiled pilots who have never stepped foot out of their own backyard are prepared to go for a month or two in Asia with the aircraft? None.
Lufty and EW are leasing 319 in winter. But CRO winter is nice..
DeleteNice Carpatair crew :)
ReplyDeleteCudos for them wetleasing planes while their own go for maintenance. This way they avoid any disruptions.
ReplyDeleteKudos would be planning the operation in the first place, so you don't need to waste money on wet leasing. This is financial suicide.
DeleteWhat would be Adria's ideal fleet? Size and model wise.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion
Delete10 CRJ900
5 CRJ700.
Their Airbuses are crucial in summer seasom because they make them a lot of money ! So I would say ideal fleet would be
Delete10 crj-900
3-crj-700
3-Airbus A319
Don't like these ACMI deals. They lease out newer planes and then lease for themselves old junk.
ReplyDeleteThat's how you make money. You buy a good car and rent it out and get good money on it, while you use a crappy old one and deal with it because you like seeing the money come in
DeleteThat's how you also loose passengers. Flying junk old equipment with foreign crew while charging multiple times the LCCs prices. Has to be really good for the image and the brand.
Delete+10000 to anonymous 0948h
DeleteIs the crew on the Nordica plane Slovenian or Estonian?
ReplyDeleteEstonian, as it's a wet lease.
DeleteDuring my flights with them 2 weeks ago the crew was international, the pilot had a nordic last name, and the flight attendants were Slovenian and South American
DeleteHa interesting mix. I asked since Adria has CRJs in its fleet so I thought it might be less expensive for Adria just to lease the plane, without crew.
DeleteDry leasing is a very complex process and is usually done for at least 2 or more years. Wet leasing is as simple as signing a contract, filling out couple of forms and the aircraft can start flying, especially if it's from another EU operator.
DeleteWhat would be in it for Nordica if they offered the aircraft as dry lease only? They would still have to pay for their crew sitting at home and Adria would pay only for the aircraft?
The Slovene prime minister gave a speech on Labour day and explicitly mentioned Adria Airways as an example of a company that was hastily privatized and ruined.
ReplyDeletePlus, according to many websites, CAA has ordered another revision of JP's accounting books:
https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news/77231-caa-to-order-external-review-of-adria-airways-books
The CAA part was already reported here. They didn't start another revision they just asked an external state agency to review some documents that they are not authorized to review themselves.
Deletehttps://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/04/slovenian-regulator-confident-in-adria.html
Weren't the same actors in power when Adria was privatized and now? or not?
DeleteThe PM is a joke, a true comediant. He says Lufthansa wanted to buy Adria but the government said no.
DeleteWhen did LH put in an official offer to buy Adria? Never.
Yes he was talking out of his a**. Also making claims like "I don't know how longer they will fly" is really damaging to an airline.
DeleteYes, it looks like the Slovene politicians are preparing for JP's bankruptcy. There is also an article today in Dnevnik, which is basically a government newspaper, about LJU airport and the fact that the government is not satisfied with the number of connections and traffic in general.
Deletehttps://www.dnevnik.si/1042884974/posel/novice/brnisko-letalisce-obticalo-med-okoliskimi-letalisci
@10:27
Well, JP's management is the most damaging entity for Adria. When they go bankrupt and we will find out the size of the financial hole, it will be spectacular. When you treat the passengers the way they do ...
I think you are right. Unfortunately I think state is preparing citizens for JP bankruptcy and that is why there will be funds for foreign airlines to start new connections.
Delete"Dnevnik, which is basically a government newspaper"
DeleteLOL
I'm sure passengers will be happy when they see the ancient Carpatair plane instead of a relatively young Adria CRJ.
ReplyDeleteSo which two planes went for maintenance? I mean registrations?
ReplyDeleteHopefully the one with the ripped carpets and broken business class seat!!
Delete+1
DeleteS5-AAL is on service but the one with ripped carpet was S5-AFA and they already replaced that so its looking nice and clean again !
DeleteThanks. About time they fixed it
DeleteWhy the second plane was leased if only one is on maintenance?
DeleteAAY (CRJ700) is also on mantinance
DeleteI think Adria should open bases in small towns rather than focusing on ACMI. They had a go with Łódź, Paderborn, Prishtina so why not give a chance to other towns too?
ReplyDeleteWith exception to Pristina, all of them failed.
DeleteOnly Paderborn failed. Lodz was great for them. They flew there while subsidies were running. When that ended they packed up and left.
DeleteOf course they have to lease extra planes when the current ones go tech. They have only 10 planes based in LJU this summer.
ReplyDeleteI mean 10 operational aircraft flying from LJU.
DeleteDo they have plane based in PRN?
DeleteYes, A319 (S5-AAX) at the moment.
DeleteDoes Carpatair operate scheduled flights as well or they just wet lease planes?
ReplyDeleteJust ACMI and charters.
DeleteThese Germans have damaged JP and Slovenians reputation abroad big time and they keep continuing by leasing old crap from Romania where the own modern a/c are being leased out. As a passenger and customer I see immediately how worthy i am to this company. Btw just recently in SOF they had to pay a long open debt immediately, otherwise a/c cld not return to LJU so certainly we will see more of this very soon and then its just a matter of time until the airline is history. AF has already made their homework and established a 2nd daily flight, this will further hurt them. LX LH OS SN are to step in imm after grounding
ReplyDelete+100
DeleteSad but true :(
What I don't understand is, if the company is loosing so much money, what is in it for the Germans to keep it going?
DeleteThis is really sad
DeleteDead man walking.
DeleteAnd when it finally goes under, everybody will act surprised as if it came out of nowhere.
Adria set up Nordica, leased them planes, gave them reservation system, gave them crew... and now it has come to the point that Adria is leasing planes and crew from them.
ReplyDeleteBusiness with Nordica is what effectively saved them from bankruptcy at that time.
DeleteAdria leased planes for Nordica?
DeleteI would love to try this Fokket classic :D
ReplyDeleteAnyone know how much these wet leases cost Adria?
ReplyDeleteAd-hoc wet lease on short notice is never cheap.
DeleteI really hope they manage to get oit of the red this year.
DeleteKeep hoping...
DeleteGood. They definitely consolidated this summer and are doing a good job of respecting their schedule and passengers. I look forward to seeing what new destinations we might get from them in summer 2020.
ReplyDeleteDoing a good job??
Deletefinally a nice success story from the ex-yu region
ReplyDeleteSuper avion. Uvijek me ljutilo što nisam imao priliku letit na B727 ili DC10. Dok je Adrie možda ima još i šanse...
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