Lufthansa Group starts strong in Ljubljana


Lufthansa, Swiss International Air Lines and Brussels Airlines have seen a strong start to their newly launched operations to Ljubljana Jože Pučnik Airport. The Head of Airport Services at operator Fraport Slovenija, Janez Krašnja, said, “Exceptional demand has been recorded during the first few days since the Lufthansa Group launched new flights, which demonstrates the potential of the Slovenian market. Even with the current scheduling, the flights are quite full”. Lufthansa Group’s Senior Sales Manager for Central, Eastern and South-Eastern Europe, Peter Pullem, noted, “Ljubljana Airport was cut off from our hubs and many other destinations overnight. Lufthansa Group, a leading European airline group, has recognised the great need for the connectivity of Slovenia, its population and the economy with our flight network, so we searched for capacities in record time and connected Ljubljana Airport with four important European hubs”. The Lufthansa Group member airlines now fly from Frankfurt, Munich, Brussels and Zurich to Ljubljana.

The German national carrier has already made changes to its planned 2020 summer operations to the Slovenian capital with the airline’s evening service from Frankfurt to remain in Ljubljana overnight. Therefore, as of March 29, Lufthansa will offer a more convenient early morning departure to Germany. On the other hand, just days after launching six weekly flights from Brussels, Mr Krašnja said he expects for the Belgian airline to introduce additional frequnecies from next summer, while strong demand and solid advanced bookings would likely result in a more convenient schedule. Finally, Helvetic Airways will be operating the Ljubljana route from Zurich on behalf of Swiss. It will mostly be utilising the new flagship of its fleet, the Embraer E190-E2 aircraft. The jet entered commercial service just six days ago.

Frankfurt, Zurich, Munich and Brussels are among Ljubljana Airport’s eight busiest routes, with Frankfurt ranking second after Istanbul, followed by Zurich, Munich and Brussels as its sixth, seventh and eighth busiest destinations. Last year, Adria Airways carried almost 146.000 passengers to Frankfurt, while some 86.000 flew to Munich. Of those, transfers made up 70% and 80% of all travellers on the two routes respectively. Passengers mostly connected to other European destinations, followed by services to North America, Asia, Africa, Australia and South America. Adria handled 74.235 travellers on its flights between Ljubljana and Brussels last year, 16% of which continued their journey onwards.

Austrian Airlines remains one of the notable Lufthansa Group members which has not attempted to fill the void left by Adria, however, this is primarily the result of a lack of spare capacity. Ljubljana Airport believes the airline will launch services from Vienna during the summer of 2020. "We are very pleased that, within a month of Adria's bankruptcy, we have succeeded in replacing flights at four out of five Lufthansa Group bases. As a result, we have mostly restored all key destinations from Ljubljana Airport. Of course, the network is not yet complete, but I believe that we will be able to greet another carrier at the start of the summer season”, Mr Krašnja said.




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  1. Anonymous09:01

    Adria bankruptcy is the best thing that has happened to Ljublhana Airport.

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    1. Anonymous09:06

      Don't think you will be saying that when October passenger numbers are out.

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    2. Anonymous09:22

      OCT 99.000 pax, I don,t think it is so bad, NOV will be much better

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    3. Anonymous09:35

      Let's wait for tbe official results before posting judgement.

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    4. Anonymous09:50

      Soon it will be like Adria never existed.

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    5. Anonymous10:31

      It is the best because instead of letting ordinary people subsidise a loss making and corrupt airline, they're letting the market determine who flies where and for how much.

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    6. Anonymous12:47

      @Anon 9:06: October figures will be bad, but are not relevant, because it doesn't show us how market responded to JP demise. It will only show that Adria had 50% pax share and that some 20% of that has already been compensated by other airlines. Then we will see much stronger november (compared to october), but for more relevant figures we will have to wait until 2020 summer season.

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    7. Anonymous10:05

      Such an immature comment from OP. Definitely facts were ignored or not understood while making this comment. Or he should be part of the corrupt Government representatives or the agents working with them to close Adria down forcibly so that they can start a new airline and make illegal money out of it.

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  2. Anonymous09:02

    After Adria collapsed this was expected.

    Switzerland, Germany and Austria to be covered by LH Group, Air France-KLM to take their portion and everything in the direction south east belongs to Air Serbia

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  3. Anonymous09:02

    Wow 70% of Adria's Frankfurt passengers were transfers! I knew they wera Lufthansa feeders but not to this extent.

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    1. Anonymous09:03

      And 80% to Munich!

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    2. Anonymous09:08

      Similar on OU too.

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    3. Anonymous09:28

      Similaly on all flight operating to FRA. LH has 70% transfers on all flights to and from FRA. But this is nothing new.

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    4. Anonymous10:01

      All of that means that JP was flying these passengers for next to nothing for Lufthansa. No wonder they always struggled financially.

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    5. JU520 BEGLAX12:40

      Anonym 1001h
      In this point u were absolutely right. They flew them for peanuts as they got just proportional fm the ticket paid. So if someone books LJU LAX for 700 USD return, go figure what was left for JP

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  4. Anonymous09:03

    Of course when they are flying regional jets to LJU.

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    1. Anonymous09:07

      Brussels Airlines is using A319.

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    2. Anonymous09:12

      For now, their BRU-LJU was really bad and more suitable for a regional jet. There is a reason why OU uses its Q400 to Brussels. Yields are great but there aren't that many passengers.

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    3. Anonymous09:30

      For now?? Route has been operating for 2 days!!!! And you only know the load for one day - the inaugural flight yet you are able to give a definitive conclusion that the route in that direction is "really bad". Wow.

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    4. Anonymous09:32

      lolit is funny. Love airline couch CEOs.

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    5. Anonymous10:54

      Anon 09.32 aren't you a couch CEO as well then?

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    6. Anonymous10:59

      No, I'm not giving definitive conclusions on a route's performance and declaring it a failure based on one day and one way worth of data.

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    7. Anonymous17:23

      No but you are making definitive conclusions on other things pretending to be an armchair expert.

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  5. Anonymous09:04

    Of course Lufthansa has no intention starting a new airline in Slovenia given that they will just use this to feed their hubs. Lufthansa will cover western Europe for Slovenians completely, but when it comes to the east and Ex-Yu, connectivity will always be a problem.

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    1. Anonymous18:09

      Wizz would be a good candidate for that

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  6. Anonymous09:05

    At least prices to Brussels are now affordable. On top of that they offer better legroom and service.

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  7. Anonymous09:05

    Great demand? Of course flight are full- I mean the capacity that is offered now is much less than what Adria did for LH. Adria flew the 319 to FRA they served VIE etc. Many Adria destinations gone- and LH is happy about filling a daily CRJ to MUC and two daily CRJs to FRA?

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    1. Anonymous09:11

      They are happy because they replaced the capacity for route feeding and if any new airline is set up they will again have effective control of it like with Adria without investing a dime.

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    2. Anonymous09:13

      JP was flying to LH Group hubs at a loss, LH is not willing to do that so they are adjusting capacity.

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    3. Anonymous09:20

      Yes, but still there is no mention of profitability- those two flight will probably be neagtive as well. But they are just saying that they are happy because a 90 seater gets full.

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    4. Anonymous09:24

      Adria flew whatever aircraft they had available for the route in the last two years.

      It wasn't unusual to see A319 go to VIE or TIA. Do you think it was full?

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    5. Anonymous09:25

      Exactly. They even sent Saab to Vienna from time to time.

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    6. Anonymous09:42

      They used Airbus when the loads were poor on the shortest possible routes.

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    7. Anonymous09:50

      even the morning FRA flight was not necessarily A319. A lot of times all 3 flights were CRJ900. When I did my stint regulary flying the lju-fra route it was let's say 85% time morning A319 and the two other flights CRJ. And the LF on the mid afternoon flight when I flew was rather weak to say the least and a Saab would be more than sufficient. Even the number back this up: it's 146.000 passenger altogether (not one way) with 21 weekly flights (42 both directions). That is a LF of 67 passengers per flight.

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  8. Anonymous09:06

    "Strong Start", LOL! What else did they expect, a whole airline disappeared leaving a stranded market and tons of passengers. Good luck to them, the airline that reacted well was Air Serbia, but I'm afraid they will loose their gain in the long run once these new Western European airlines plug the demand, just better connectivity in western EU hubs.

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    1. Anonymous09:14

      I think JU will be ok as OS is out of the picture and they carried a lot of passengers to the Balkans and Middle East, a market that JU can capture now.

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  9. Anonymous09:09

    Great to hear LH tweaked their schedule for next summer. Morning departure from LJU is necessary. Hope Brussels Airlines does the same.

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  10. Anonymous09:12

    Real shame Austrian has not started flights.

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    1. Anonymous09:14

      Austrian is in absolute shambles at the moment.

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    2. Anonymous09:16

      OS is getting ready to fire 500 pilots, cabin crew and ground staff. They are also replacing Q400s with additional A320s. Soon they won't have an adequate plane to run flights to LJU. Their market is best served by JU and TK.

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    3. Anonymous09:25

      Even with those problems they will start LJU in summer for sure.

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    4. Anonymous10:32

      Austrian will most likely not start LJU - ever - at least as long as they serve KLU just opposite of the boarder.

      Apparently, their KLU rotations got a major boost and are full or almost full most of times since JP bancrupty.

      OS would only cannibalize their KLU ops if they started LJU.

      They will most likely add another KLU rotation or upgrade one or two KLU rotations to E95 (120 seats).

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    5. Anonymous10:42

      Interesting. Didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

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    6. Anonymous14:53

      KLU will exist on OS schedule to VIE only up to end of 2021 when all Dash 8 will be withdrawn from service (same for GRZ, SZG, LNZ allready without flights to VIE), and INN (this might stay).
      If you go to KLU and look around parking you won't see much cars with Slovenia reg plates and bus which connect Ljubljana bus/train station with Klagenfurt airport is almost 100% empty and runs few times daily (subsidized). KLU is just opposite of border but still not so close to Ljubljana as you think.

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    7. Anonymous19:03

      Who would fly KLU to VIE. At least one hour drive and one hour earlier at the airport.. and you are already in Vienna by car.

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    8. Anonymous20:36

      Yes, you do not really see Slovenian registration numbers at the parking. However I fail to see Austrian registration numbers in LJU after adria collapsed. Before that there were quite a few. Common logic points to all those registration numbers that are now missing in LJU, can be found across the border.

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    9. Anonymous22:59

      Of course KLU got a boost since there was no LH hub connectivity out of LJU. This was a one month deal. There will he hardly any candidate remaining to drive to KLU from Slovenia with LH in LJU...

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  11. Anonymous09:14

    Nice to see E2 at LJU on regular basis :)

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    1. Anonymous09:15

      Until when will Helvetic be ordering the Ljubljana route?

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    2. Anonymous09:17

      I think it's most of winter but it's not constant. On Sunday Swiss flew to LJU with A320.

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  12. Anonymous09:18

    As expected LH will benefit the most from Adria collapse.

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    1. Anonymous09:19

      Are you sure? They now have to use their own planes and burn their own money to get transfer passengers. They also lost some feeding routes from Tirana and Pristina.

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  13. Anonymous09:21

    I wad hoping to see Eurowings on some route.

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  14. Anonymous09:26

    Great. Good luck. Hopemore new toutes are to come.

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  15. Anonymous09:26

    LH will probably boost capacity to Ljubljana next summer.

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    1. Anonymous09:34

      Think so too. Swiss is already sending bigger birds on some days.

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    2. Anonymous09:37

      Swiss was the quickest from LH group to respond to Adria's bankruptcy.

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    3. Anonymous09:44

      @9.34 they used a "bigger bird" on just one day - last Sunday.

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  16. Anonymous09:33

    The Brussels Airlines schedule is absolutely crap.

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    1. Anonymous09:34

      If you read the article you will see they will most likely change it.

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    2. Anonymous14:56

      Crap - you must be flying to Brussels on taxpayer money and one of many who until Adria collapsed complaining "Adria flying to Brussels twice a day and we have to go back home same day" and now you are complaining about schedule !

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  17. JU520 BEGLAX09:35

    this is no surprise to me. complete different feeling now again, flying with profs and usable standards. I personally enjoy very much the ability to buy one way tickets and therefore can combine ZRH-LJU with VCE-ZRH or TRS-MUC-ZRH. Booked already several tickets again at fair prices. Also if you check on time performance, all good again, reliable. You can plan meetings again, plan your working days properly.

    LX btw as of SUTT 2019 will have evening departure on day 6 ZRH-LJU-ZRH and day 7 morning departure. I guess this is to pick up Transit passengers, especially from KIX NRT LAX SFO and PVG. Those flights leave ZRH around 1315h and return to ZRH next day 1515-1600

    interesting to see is also that SN departs from jetbridge stands, where LX and LH are all land stands. (except LX 2276/2277 last Sunday with A320). Hope that they will correct this as especially older or light handicapped do not like CR9 stairs and its funny to see that all airlines incl. JU and YM use jetbridge stands (JU with A319) but the Nr. 1 in Europe not

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    1. Anonymous09:39

      Agree with you completely. Having stable operations back after 2 years is a relief.

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    2. Anonymous09:43

      Do you maybe know why LH and Swiss are using bus gates? Makes no sense to me.

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    3. Anonymous11:27

      Isnt a CRJ always using a bus gate as they have integrated stairs, same as DH4, E45, AT7?

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    4. Anonymous12:01

      You can also use jetbridge.

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    5. Anonymous13:12

      In regards to jet bridges vs. bus gates: SN operates A319 and they have no special demands, which means no problem parking on a jet bridge. The same goes for LX if they operate A320 family. For LXs E2 jets and A220s story is a little bit different since these are new types of aircraft and all relevant airport equipment (jet bridge, safegate guidance system, towbars, tow trucks) has to be updated and certified for each type of aircraft. For example at the moment only one towbar manufacturer and one type of pushback truck is certified for E2 jets. Of course this will take some time.
      For LH I'm not sure if their CRJ will park on jet bridges in the future in LJU, because CRJ usually uses bus gates in every airport and Adria's CRJs in LJU were more of an exception in this regard. But when/if LH starts sending their Embraers and Airbuses to LJU those will be parked at the bridge for sure.

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    6. JU520 BEGLAX23:40

      Tx anonym 1312h, very interesting

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  18. Anonymous09:36

    Well it's good that Adria's busiest routes have been covered within a month.

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    1. Anonymous09:50

      To be honest I was expecting less than a week before connectivity was restored .

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    2. Anonymous09:53

      That's rather impossible to do. 1 month is nothing in aviation terms especially when most airlines in Europe are dealing with staff shortages.

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  19. Anonymous09:39

    Hahaha, the flights are "quite full". If you replace three daily flights with a single one, it better be full. Quite full is not good enough. Just a ploy by Fraport to persuade the government to forget about Air Slovenia.

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    1. Anonymous09:42

      Government said numerous times that Lufthansa is being consulted over Air Slovenia eventhough they are not directly involved so I doubt this new airline would compete against LH. It would just compliment it.

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  20. Anonymous09:47

    Can someone explain to me the concept of Air Dolomiti? I thought they were an Italian airline owned by Lufthansa but now I see they are based in Munich?? For some reason I always thought they were based in Italy and could eventually launch flights to Ljubljana.

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    1. Anonymous10:11

      Sjedište Air Dolomita je u Veroni gdje je nekad bio i hub ali otkad ga je kupila Lufthansa svi avioni su bazirani u MUC gdje se koriste na nekim Lufthansinim linijama prema Italiji (Bari, Verona, Bologna...). Također Lufthansa planira prebaciti sve E-jetove iz Lufthanse Cityline u Air Dolomite.

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    2. Anonymous10:52

      Thanks

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  21. Anonymous09:48

    There is no way of pleasing some people. So much criticism towards these flights. What was the alternative? Keep these routes unserved. At least now we have quality and reliable airlines on these routes.

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    1. Anonymous09:54

      True

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    2. Anonymous10:02

      probably all ex-adria employees or on adria "consulting" contracts :D

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  22. Anonymous09:53

    Congrats Ljubljana. You really did deserve some serious airlines which will return faith also to the passengers, which in the last few years avoided LJU because of the Adria's reputation.

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    1. Anonymous09:58

      And on top of that fares are cheaper!

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    2. Anonymous10:06

      LX has some great fares to other European destinations, particularly Scandinavia. From Ljubljana ofcourse.

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    3. Anonymous10:37

      Annon 9:53, you coppy-pasted my response from about a month ago, but I don't mind, since what I wrote is true.

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    4. Anonymous14:14

      A lot of people avoided LJU in the past because in the eyes of an average Janez from Slovenia it was always considered expensive flying from LJU. And in the past, let's be honest, many times it really was. A lot of people in Slovenia still don't even consider checking prices from LJU because it is in the collective memory in Slovenia that every fare is 500€, meanwhile you can fly from TRS and Venice for 5€ everywhere. And for lang haul ZAG is the best and really cheap - and it has Emirates. And brand new shiny terminal. On top of that it is in the nature of slovenian people that they like to diminish themselves and own country and the grass is always greener on the other side.
      So they will happily skip the night's sleep just to catch that midnight Goopti ride to VCE for 50€ with 5 hour window for their 10am Ryanair flight to VLC which was only 39,99€, small hand bag included.
      Luckily things are moving in positive direction, with reputable airlines introducting flights to LJU with hopefully more stable operation and what is most important good prices - at least for now. But it will take some time for LJU to regain some faith an trust from the people.
      For anyone not believing my words, here is a little chalenge: choose few random dates and few random EU capitals and long haul destinations. Open any flight search engine and search for ticket prices from LJU, VCE, ZAG, VIE, TRS, KLU and report the results.

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    5. Anonymous18:37

      What was the alternative in the past two years? Pay 500 EUR for LJU-MUC-VLC, arrive to the airport only to see your flight delayed for 4 hours, after which it stops in ZRH first, making you miss your connection and have to overnight in MUC?

      For some of the people here it still would have been worth it to avoid those horrible LCCs.

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    6. Anonymous00:40

      I agree that past two years have been difficult from passenger's perspective because of poor reliability of Adria and LJU as an airport suffered from that as well. But people's perception about pricing from LJU I'm talking about has been around for many more years and will probably still be for some time no matter what. But let aside operational issues with Adria, prices from LJU in many cases have been quite competitive for the past few years. Here only long haul flights to the west suffered a bit.
      Now with arrival of new players I think LJU might gain a lot both from reliability standpoint as well as price wise. And that is a good start to regain people's faith and to get more of them flying from LJU.

      As far as LCCs are concerned they are not horrible and are very welcome in LJU (also all of them doing great in LJU), but I know people from Ljubljana who even fly to London from Venice. How this can be a viable choice with all the cheap options from LJU is unknown to me. It is probably just an extreme example of what I was talking about.

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    7. I'm a Slovenian, living in Brussels for the last 3 years. I travel to Slo on average twice per month. I normally use Wizz, but often I flew with Adria. I never bought Adria ticket cheaper than 220 euros (only hand luggage). Often the ticket was 400+ euros as I had to travel on specific dates because of business. Sometimes (normally from October to end of April) i use Ryanair to TSF, and then a rental car to Slo. The rental cars are cheap in TSF during winter (50 euros for Golf for 4 days). But now i bought the Brussels air ticket for Christmas period (top season!) for 90 euros p.p./return. That was impossible with Adria! And last week I flew (with a brand new Embrear 190 e2) with Swiss to LJU and with LH ower MUC back to BRU. For 200 Eur. So, cheaper than Adria. :) And for me the time schedule of Brussels air to LJU is perfect.

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  23. Anonymous09:56

    I guess MUC will handle the former VIE traffic.

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    1. Anonymous09:59

      OS is already flying three times daily to Klagenfurt, which is around an hours drive from Ljubljana Airport. They offer great connections from there.

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  24. Anonymous10:04

    Funny how no media in Slovenia reports this after they were first praying for Adria to collapse and then started crying why Adria collapsed and that it should have been saved.

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      Media like blood and negativism, not positive stories.

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  25. Anonymous10:07

    LH Group: mission accomplished.

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    1. Anonymous10:11

      In what sense?

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    2. Anonymous10:12

      In the sense that Adria is gone and they have taken over the market.

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    3. Anonymous10:17

      it was cheaper for LH to let JP fly those routes

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    4. Anonymous10:25

      Thats why Adria is gone now.

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    5. Anonymous16:24

      "it was cheaper for LH to let JP fly those routes"

      fake argument. if true, lh would do the same at other airports, for example beg, and let ju codeshare and bring feed to fra. but they didn't, lh keeps flying own metal and over the last couple of years increased size from crj/a319 to a320/321. from muc they added frequency and increased size. so no, lh would much rather keep control and own their feeder lines.

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    6. Anonymous18:39

      You can't win with JP diehard fans.

      One day, it was cheaper for LH to let JP fly unprofitable routes to LJU. Next day these are the routes that were profitable and should be established ASAP under Air Slovenia.

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    7. Anonymous23:45

      LH goal is to get rid of all small/med airlines in CEE, esp. those with government backing. If you don't want to accept this, farmer's market is across the street.

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  26. Anonymous10:10

    Lufthansa should focus more on Balkans and east Europe now that they have lost the Iberian market to IAG which has created an unbelievable monopoly there. Glad to see they are doing well in LJU.

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    1. Anonymous10:11

      No thanks!

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    2. Anonymous10:18

      Balkans and Eastern Europe is extremely low yielding. That's why Wizz Air does so well here.

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    3. Anonymous10:27

      Even Wizz is focusing more on west Europe ops these days.

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    4. Anonymous10:49

      LOT is becoming the major player in the East.

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    5. Anonymous10:55

      Their over expansion will backfire eventually just like what is happening at Ukraine International at the moment. In the end we will be left with Lufthansa again.

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  27. Anonymous10:12

    All of these comments about LH reliability. They have strikes every other month. Next one is tomorrow and Friday!

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    1. Anonymous10:24

      They also have heaps of delays on inter European flights. When i flew to Frankfurt this summer our A320 was sitting for 30 minutes near the gate. Our pilot told us we had to wait to dock at the air bridge because there was no one at the gate (he sounded rather pissed). Missed my connection as a result.

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    2. Anonymous10:47

      +1 last anon. Far from being the most reliable airline.

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    3. Anonymous10:53

      Much more reliable than Adria that's for sure.

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    4. Anonymous14:03

      1300 Lufthansa flights cancelled over next 2 days.

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    5. Anonymous18:41

      Adria was at least much more reliable with Balkan bus tours and pilots threating to strike a week before company went bust.

      Bring back the Balkan bus tour, we don't want LH.

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  28. Anonymous10:20

    Wonder if Wizz Air's return on Charleroi line from next month will have an impact on Brussels Airlines.

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      Highly doubt it. They have completely different types of passengers.

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    2. Anonymous18:42

      Very important government official (secretaries) will never travel on W6. It's beneath them.

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    3. Anonymous22:32

      No one will choose wizz over SN at current pricing... Why would some waste their time by going to Charleroi over some 10 eur beats me. And wizz reliability, good luck, because you end up in Lille or Liege.

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  29. Anonymous10:48

    We want Eurowings! :)

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  30. Anonymous10:49

    Nothing impressive here! These were destinations that were already served for decades and replaced by fewer flights than they were operated before.
    They had even advanced bookings on JP that they took over so nothing has begun from scratch.

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    1. Anonymous11:00

      Except a reliable schedule (compared to the last year saga), lower fares, lower fares for long hauls, better plane conditions.

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  31. Anonymous11:23

    Are there any new destinations LH group could add to Ljubljana? For example Stuttgart or Hamburg? Maybe Berlin?

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    1. Anonymous11:25

      Adria tried and failed in Berlin.

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    2. Anonymous11:36

      Adria failed at everything it did. That's why it's bankrupt. Shouldn't be compared to others.

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  32. Anonymous11:48

    I hope these new routes by Lufthansa group will help stabilise passenger numbers at Ljubljana Airport

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  33. Anonymous13:40

    Ironically, the demise of JP will be quite beneficial for LJLJ, the same what happened with MA in BUD.
    That said, we are likely to witness more new arrivals in 2020.
    I do think AL will launch VIE-LJU as they are now aggressively penetrating the Eastern European market and expanding like hell in VIE.
    I also see the arrival of BT and LO frequency increase.
    Good news is that BA will be back next summer - flights already on sale.
    W6 already launching 3 weekly CRL-LJU.
    Future doesn´t look that gloomy for LJLJ.

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    1. Anonymous14:57

      +1

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    2. Anonymous18:13

      Yes, we will see long range flights to exotic destinations and LJU will become a major hub every major airline will be flying from. Oh wait, I can see flying pigs out of my window, so I must be dreaming.

      Let's face it. Nothing happened. LH sent a shi**y CRJ (one per day) to replace Adria's three daily flights. Same with Swiss and Brussels, nothing to see there. People are just overexcited, because they're happy that Adria is out of business and LJU is not a god forsaken s*ithole (which it actually is).

      Wait until next year before opening the champagne. If we don't have the same (or better) connectivity as with Adria, we lost a lot.

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    3. Anonymous18:44

      What is AL?

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    4. Anonymous22:13

      AL is Air Lauda. Official IATA code....

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    5. Anonymous22:38

      No it's not. AL is IATA code for Malta Air, IATA code for Laudamotion - branded Lauda - is OE. So, better stick with full names when you don't know the codes.

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    6. Anonymous22:53

      "we lost a lot" !?

      Have you actually been flying? With a real need and schedule to be in a meeting on which your business depends on? Of course not!

      If you were actually flying, you would realise what is expected from a reliable and safe airline.

      Cancelled or rerouted and merged flights, replacements with shitty and unsafe carpatair, rookie pilots not able to land, never knowing if you make a meeting, missing a night with your family etc... And remember its its a price of 500eur and more for 1-2 hr flight. We really lost a lot! I am not happy to loose Adria but it was the only way to get long term improvement. We suffer for half a year but then travel gets better again.

      So we have a great case of couch airline CEO again. Just what this forum needs.

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    7. Anonymous07:42

      No worries, I travel a lot :).

      I'm sure you'll catch a lot of meetings with the current schedule. And don't forget. In order to get those early morning departures Adria had, LH, OS, LX would have to base an aircraft overnight in LJU. Not going to happen.

      And stop whining about 500 euro tickets. Sure it was, if you bought them one day in advance or if you booked your direct LJU-MUC flight through Kinshasa. Stupid Adria's passengers would go onto their website, type in the destination and then start screaming when they saw a 1000 euro flight. Of course, it was not a direct flight, but who cares, right?

      Yes, with me as a CEO, Adria would have never gone bust.

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    8. Anonymous09:12

      "In order to get those early morning departures Adria had, LH, OS, LX would have to base an aircraft overnight in LJU. Not going to happen."

      See, this is where pure ignorance Adria style kicks in.

      LH will do early morning departure LJU-FRA as of SUTT 2020 by having the aircraft not based in LJU, but just spend the night parked in LJU. Like they (and every single other airline that does hub model) do in a lot of other airports.

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    9. notLufthansa10:33

      in other news....
      https://www.exyuaviation.com/2019/11/swiss-to-end-zagreb-and-sarajevo-flights.html

      welcome to the reality

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    10. Anonymous11:31

      Yes, that's the rality. You can't fly empty flights or flights that don't generate profit. Simple as that. Forget about air connectivity payed by all taxpayers for elites.

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    11. notLufthansa13:42

      what are you talking about? what elite? 80% of pax to Germany and Switzerland were transfer pax. If you think that BRU line is for elite only, then my friend, you should have your head examined... Turkish is sending A330 on regular basis to LJU, just because they have connections from Istanbul. Not because people like Turkey that much. Some of people here are realy messed up.

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    12. Anonymous14:00

      You can't fly empty flights or flights that don't generate profit. As simple as that. Or you can establish your own company. Just, please, don't expect taxpayers to sink money into it.

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  34. Anonymous09:08

    As written before, schedules for summer are being adopted.

    And the link below - this was never the case before. Period.

    https://izletnadlani.com/ugodno-iz-ljubljane-v-zda-povratne-letalske-karte-iz-ljubljane-v-miami-new-york-la-ze-od-415-eur-check-in-prtljaga-je-vkljucena/

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    1. notLufthansa13:43

      you obviously have no idea how pricing works. This may be 10 seats at that price, and then the rock&roll starts.

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    2. Anonymous14:14

      Or even less. Still better than 0 seats at this price.

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  35. Razumen Človek13:31

    Neoliberalism takes another victim.

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    1. Anonymous17:08

      Adria was close to bankruptcy many times even in Yugo times, when they had monopoly. Tells you everything you need to know.

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  36. Anonymous14:24

    Very interesting article in Delo today: https://www.delo.si/gospodarstvo/novice/kaj-kaze-radar-mesec-dni-po-stecaju-adrie-246271.html
    With comments from Slovenian businessmen: "I've been avoiding Adria for almost a year." "I have never flown from Ljubljana." "There was no catastrophe after the bankruptcy of Adria regarding connectivity." Even Slovenian MEPs in the European Parliament don't have to much troubles: "My experience with new connections from Jože Pučnik Airport is good."

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