Slovenia gives up on new national airline


The Slovenian Prime Minister, Marjan Šarec, has said it is highly unlikely for the government to set up a new national carrier, three months after Adria Airways filed for bankruptcy. The Prime Minister noted, “The creation of a new national airline, be it fully or partly state-owned, is highly unlikely. In the meantime, many of the routes formerly operated by Adria have been taken over by foreign carriers since they proved to be of interest to the Slovenian public”. Over the past three months, the government has been studying the prospects of establishing a new national airline jointly with a regional carrier. In November, the Slovenian Minister for Economic Development and Technology, Zdravko Počivalšek, who has become increasingly isolated in his pursuit to set up a new airline, said talks with the potential partner had “come a long way”.

The Slovenian state-owned Bank Assets Management Company (BAMC) drafted a business plan for the country’s potential new national airline. Under the proposal, the carrier would have reportedly operated a fleet of five Bombardier aircraft and counted some 200 employees. Based on the Assets Management Company’s calculations, the airline would have recorded a twenty million euro loss in its first year of operations. It has also been suggested the new airline could use airline management software to reduce delay time and prevent cancellation. Since Adria’s collapse, three foreign carriers have entered the Slovenian market, while the majority already serving the country have increased frequencies or plan to do so next summer season. In 2020, Iberia will become the latest airline to start operations to Ljubljana.

Meanwhile, parties that submitted bids for Adria Airways’ remaining assets have complained over the slow pace in announcing the results of the tender, which closed on November 10. Adria’s receiver has since held talks with the five bidding subjects, however, the results of the public call, which were to be announced by November 25, are yet to be made public. Bidders include the Slovenian ultralight electric aircraft maker Pipistrel, Slovenian businessman Joc Pečečnik, who is the founder of Interblock Gaming, as well as businessman Izet Rastoder, a banana importer, seller and real-estate developer.




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  1. Anonymous09:00

    Thank goodness.

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    1. Anonymous10:26

      Easy had 47 pax LJU-SXF today

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    2. Anonymous10:28

      That's disastrous.

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    3. That's reality in LJU. That's why Adria used to fly mostly with CRJ.

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    4. notLufthansa13:42

      yes, that is the reality. This stupid govt let everything out of their hands. There will be much less connectivity in the future and if you call a connectivity possibility to jump to frankfurt or munich and continue journey from there - think again. Connectivity out may be restored to some point, but not towards Slovenia. Tourism will be suffer from this. And another thing - once you loose big company with certain knowledge, this knowledge is lost for ever. I'm sure there will be thoughts of national carrier in the future, but everything is lost now. Forever. All those praising that Adria is no longer, I realy don't understand you. I can't understand that you wishfully desire a company to go under, not to make it work, to make it profitable even. No, you just hate it from bottom of your guts and this is realy sad, because you are just pitty haters, nothing more, nothing less. Slovenia has already become a state, where people are mostly working for foreign companies, there is almost nothing left. Just wait when next crisis comes, you will see what stretegic planning statewise means.

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    5. Anonymous14:13

      "And another thing - once you loose big company with certain knowledge, this knowledge is lost for ever."

      Knowledge is part of people employed in aviation. What kind of knowledge Adria employees possessed that other people in aviation, who could open an airline in the future don't have?

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    6. Anonymous17:59

      People in Adria had absolutely zero knowledge, or at least zero knowledge of aviation industry. Huge losses, long delays, merged flights, crazy expensive. Nothing of value was lost.

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    7. Anonymous18:25

      @notLufthansa: +10000000000

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    8. Anonymous20:52

      At least they are not as worse as flybosnia

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    9. Fly Bosnia has nothing to do with airline business. This is a story from some other world :)

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    10. Anonymous14:13

      adria (at least in the last 10 years) and knowledge in the same sentance...that must be joke of the year so far

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    11. No one making money in Air Industry expect couple of major Airlines in Europe. Without state subsidies 95% of European Air companies would be bankrupt.

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  2. Anonymous09:01

    A relief that they came to their senses.

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    1. Anonymous23:21

      I knew to always bet on their incompetence preventing impending calamity. Thank god they're so useless they messed up messing up!

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  3. Anonymous09:02

    Had they acted immediately it would have made sense. This way it is unnecessary.

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    1. Anonymous09:04

      It would have never made any sense.

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  4. Anonymous09:03

    Other airlines have already taken over. Logical decision.

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  5. Anonymous09:03

    Thank god... Now put only few millions a year as subsidies for LCC and this would be the best solution for LJU.

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    1. Anonymous09:05

      Not going to happen. Slovenian parliamentary committee has rejected government's proposed change to the aviation law which would allow subsidies to foreign airlines.

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    2. Anonymous09:06

      No wonder Wizz Air, the queen of subsidies, is staying away from Slovenia. They were probably hoping to get a few million right there.

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    3. Idea to put "only few milions" of public money to subsidise foreign carrier won't be accepted in Slovenia. We don't like that. That's basically the same as covering yearly losts of "looser" natioanal carrier.

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    4. Anonymous09:27

      Especially now when foreigners are rushing to launching flights to LJU. Slots are selling like hot cakes.

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    5. Anonymous09:36

      You want to turn LJU into SKP? Not gonna happen.

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    6. Anonymous09:39

      Why wouldn't it? Slovenes have a higher standard of living, they travel a lot, have more tourists and a much wealthier catchment area than SKP.

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    7. Anonymous09:46

      +10000000 last anon, it's enough to compare the quality of airlines between the two airports. Just look how many legacies fly to LJU because they can make money there.

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    8. Anonymous09:51

      well stay bellow 2mio forever in that case

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    9. Anonymous09:59

      LJU doesn't have the P2P potential of SKP unfortunately. Throwing money at LCCs is therefore not the best course of action.

      'Not liking' 'throwing money at foreign carriers' is not a good attitude to have though. It's a black and white perspective which doesn't take into account the need for investments in order to develop any business, especially when such expertise is lacking locally. But to each their own, markets like that normally end up overpaying some other less obvious foreigners through dodgy schemes, as witnessed by 4k's little adventure.

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    10. Anonymous10:00

      'A journey of a thousand miles starts with a first step' for LJU that was the bankruptcy of Adria. Now that the biggest hurdle was removed the market can grow, expand and thrive. Just because we are below 2 million today doesn't mean it will stay like that forever.

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    11. Anonymous10:02

      so LJU is smarter then VIE that is subsidizing Wizz and Lauda? Haha ma hajde

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    12. Anonymous10:34

      Slovenia would be getting much more from subsidized JP than from a subsidized W6

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    13. Anonymous13:08

      Can somebody explain why paying 10 millions a year for a national airline which are more than covered through taxes and securing several hundred jobs is a disaster and throwing taxpayers money through the window but paying millions to a foreign company where nothing is returned for flying couple of routes is a way to go and great for taxpayers?

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    14. Anonymous13:27

      @Anonymous 18 December 2019 at 13:08:

      Ah, that's an easy one to answer. The salaries in Adria were (in the eyes of the general public)
      too high and apparently people were underworked. But, you know, Slovenians are generally speaking stupid. They chose a comedian as a PM.

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    15. notLufthansa13:45

      do you anon above even know what the salaires were? and people underworked? you have no idea what you are talking about.

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    16. Anonymous14:12

      @notLufthansa:

      It was sarcasm.

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    17. Anonymous14:16

      "Can somebody explain why paying 10 millions a year for a national airline which are more than covered through taxes and securing several hundred jobs is a disaster "

      Because it is?

      We hear this story about taxes all the time. So the best thing would be to create a bunch of unprofitable companies, but keep unemployment at zero. Very sustainable. Surely worked great in Yugoslavia. Inflation was almost zero as well. Especially at the end.

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    18. Anonymous23:11

      W6 costs Macedonian taxpayers much less than JP and JU cost Slovenian and Serbian taxpayers respectively and yet it also provides hundreds of jobs in Macedonia (all crew on my many flights were Macedonian), so much for the argument how national carriers are vital because they provide jobs and are good for the national economy (because you can buy Serbian chips and sandwiches, as posted by somebody here once)

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    19. Anonymous00:17

      It's quite debatable to check with ex-Yu country provides those generous subsidies.
      MK gives W6 a lot
      SRB gives JU even more and SLO now tried to save JP but it was late.
      They say W6 is the queen of subsidies but oh boy, so is JU and W6. Who wouldn't enjoy sweet and easy money.

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    20. Anonymous06:53

      JU is a Serbian company that gets Serbian money and if subsidies run out they can't just pack up and leave, Wizz Air can. There is less risk involved with JU not to mention that JU offers far more than Wizz Air would ever have.

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    21. Anonymous09:05

      6:53

      Your post is a typical one around here: it demonstrates critical ignorance of how the airline industry operates.

      If W6 'packed up and left', Ryanair and others would be there in a blink of an eye. There is a well developed P2P market that anyone with the right cost base and capabilities can pick up right away.

      Not so much in markets where primary traffic is connecting, as seen in Ljubljana.. and other places with similar constructs.

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  6. Anonymous09:04

    As predicted. Many have claimed on here nothing will become of this. I know many in Slovenia don't want to hear this but the country is small and relatively insignificant on the geopolitical map. Adria simply made no sense when compared to the interests of much larger players. The Slovenian market will be divided among bigger players and that will be the end of it.

    One thing is for sure, Slovenian aviation will slide into irrelevancy of the European level.

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    1. Anonymous09:15

      +1

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    2. Shhhh... everyone, don't tell this to the Latvians with a country of less than 2 million people, yet have a successful airline with a fleet of over 35 airplanes.

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    3. Anonymous09:59

      Shhhh ... someone mentioned Luxair?

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    4. Anonymous10:01

      VK, Latvians are a bit further away and don't exactly have Latvia's diaspora. Slovenians can drive to most Europe as they please.. which is also why places like Kosovo and Macedonia will have higher potential for the foreseeable future.

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    5. Anonymous10:01

      Ah yes you are referring to that successful airlines whose losses grew by 70% in H1 to €26.6 million? Cool.

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    6. Anonymous10:10

      Or even smaller Luxembourg.

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    7. How can a non-existing loss "grow?"
      https://www.airbaltic.com/en/airbaltic-reports-profit-of-5.4-million-in-2018

      Also, I understand that you lost the "small and relatively insignificant on the geopolitical map" argument and now move the posts, but by this new standard of yours then you should question the exisJU, OU, and YM

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    8. Anonymous10:32

      Visit Kosovo*
      You do realized that I am speaking about H1 2019 compared to the loss they had in H1 2018. You are speaking about their whole year performance. You are comparing two completely different parameters yet you claim I am the one who lost an argument. You might want to read more carefully what people write on here so as to avoid embarrassment. ;)

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    9. Embarrassment? Seriously?

      You questioned whether an airline that was profitable last year (2018) is successful or not? In fact they have been profitable in the 5 years prior to that (2013-2017) too. Profitable for 6 years in a row, yet not successful enough for you? And I'm the one who should avoid embarrassment?

      It's full year accounts that count. A loss-making half year and they cease to be successful?

      When in a hole stop digging.

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    10. Anonymous18:40

      I never mentioned their 2018 performance but H1 2018 performance. You are the one who is trying to twist the situation because you didn't read my comment properly. The comment is literally up there for you to read it again and to see that I was talking about the first six months of the year. The fact their H1 performance worsened by 70% after they almost went bankrupt a few times in the past 30 years goes to show that BT is not a symbol of efficiency and profitability. Let's not forget they were bailed out by the government a few years ago.

      I am not the one digging, you are the one who came here and replied to me using completely different parameters. H1 results matter a lot because if they worsen by 70% then it means your H2 results need to considerably improve in order to match your last year's result. It also means something went really wrong in your company if results are so much worse.

      Please stop replying with nonsense and if you want to reply to comments then make sure you use the facts that are presented, not the ones that suit you.

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    11. Anonymous21:08

      Also, the Latvian government is subsidising BT with tax schemes no other country would accept. Are the 2018 statements even according to international accounting standards? When BT recently issued a bond to finance new aircraft, they had to adapt their financial statements that were previously not in line with international accounting rules, and the difference was substantial. So I agree, don't use BT as a good example. LG is a different matter because of LUX's banking and EU traffic, a large expat community and a population with a high willingness to pay, which makes it something of a unique market.

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    12. Anonymous23:33

      Luxair works because they fly lots of bankers and businessmen with enormous expense accounts 3+ times a day to London City, Milan, Paris, Vienna, Geneva and similar. The rest of the flights are flying these same deep-pocketed people and their families to holiday destinations at much lower frequencies. Slovenia doesn't have nearly as many people with pockets nearly as deep. Of course some would say Slovenia doesn't because Adria went bust - but that's putting the carriage in front of the horse, because Slovenia never had an appropriate demographic for such a business model anyway.

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  7. Anonymous09:04

    Loss of air links to many markets will negatively impact Slovenian economy.

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    1. JU520 BEGLAX09:51

      Which markets? The main markets are covered and human beings adjust to new situations. SKP SOF u fly via BEG within 4.5 hours. Thats ok

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    2. Anonymous09:54

      or directly from ZAG

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    3. Anonymous10:02

      There's a border which can be a hassle when flying from ZAG :( I wish Croatia was in Schengen, life would be so much easier for all of ex-YU.

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    4. Anonymous10:26

      haha "hassle". nice spin

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  8. Anonymous09:04

    Taxpayers rejoice.

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  9. Anonymous09:05

    Klasicni prevaranti aka politicari. Nikada nisu imali nameru ista otvarati.

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    1. Anonymous11:59

      +100000.

      If you read all their statements from the downfall od JP they were just delaying the whole thing ....This is also the reason, why they were unprepared for JP's fall ... The decision to close JP was made ages ago .... Politically they got just damage from 4K and they don't want to repeat it in any way (or form).

      I am so sorry we have such an incompetent PM (a comedian by profession) whose only goal is, to remain in power. No strategy and plan. Even a child knows that an airline is beneficial for our society in many ways, actually every society. And the reason is 10 mio EUR per year of taxpayer's money. Peanuts in comparison with other "projects" ....

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    2. Anonymous13:24

      Unfortunately, when you wrote everyone, you didn't look at the bottom of this page. Unfortunately, 90% of half-brain Slovenes agree with the idiots below.

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    3. Anonymous14:19

      "Even a child knows that an airline is beneficial for our society in many ways, actually every society."

      Sure, especially when it's profitable so it actually pay any tax. Hardly ever the case with JP.

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  10. Anonymous09:08

    Lufthansa wins once again.

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    1. Anonymous09:09

      +1

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    2. Anonymous18:00

      Slovenia wins as well, which is the most important thing here.

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    3. Don't forget Air Serbia... :)

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  11. Anonymous09:08

    OK but why is it taking so long to announce winners of the Adria tender?

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    1. Anonymous09:09

      To dissuade anyone from setting up a commercial airline :D

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    2. Anonymous09:17

      It is as slow as investigating 4K invest and their crimes.

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  12. Anonymous09:11

    Smart move.

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  13. Anonymous09:12

    Had they created a new airline one would have to ask what was the point of closing Adria then? Better to have given money and let the company stay afloat in that case.

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    1. Anonymous09:55

      Because it had so much debt generated by a private company, would make absolutely no sense for the Government to cover private company's debt. In that sense, it would make more sense to create a brand new airline which would be debt free.

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  14. Anonymous09:12

    Good it would have been a waste of money.

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  15. Anonymous09:13

    Unlike most here, I was hoping for a new airline to be set up. I think LJU will loose a lot of connectivity this way.

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    1. Anonymous18:08

      Oh please, a lot more will be gained than it will be lost. There is a choice: you can either have expensive, probably delayed and merged flights you have to pay for twice, once when you buy tickets and once when you pay taxes, to 3 additional destinations nobody actually wants to go to, or you can have a lot cheaper, punctual flights not just across Europe, but also onwards towards other continents. I certainly know what I would prefer.

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  16. Anonymous09:14

    Slovenia should do the same Macedonia did.

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    1. Anonymous09:18

      They can't do what North Macedonia did because when the Wizz project started there was very little competition in the region. LJU has so many much more developped airports in the same area which are making their growth difficult. I wonder if LJU will ever have more than 2 million passengers.

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    2. Anonymous09:18

      It would be ideal to subsidize Wizz or Easyjet to open a base in LJU but I'm doubtful it will happen.

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    3. Anonymous10:05

      I agree with the first 09:18.

      In Macedonia there was only ever going to be an upside. There was high risk for an unproven market though and they could've easily screwed it up like Sarajevo did, but luckily they didn't. As far as Slovenia is concerned though I think there will only ever be incremental traffic from now on, nothing groundbreaking. That's what you get with smaller market having inflated numbers via connecting traffic due to (unprofitable) local carriers.

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  17. Anonymous09:17

    The market has already moved on. It's good that the Slovenian government realized it has to do the same.

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  18. Anonymous09:19

    Will we see any more additional airlines launch flights to Ljubljana now?

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    1. Anonymous09:20

      I don't think there is much left to launch. Maybe just Prague and Scandinavia.

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    2. Anonymous09:22

      There is a lot more potential for UK routes too.

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    3. Anonymous09:33

      Disagree. I think EDI-LJU has great potential just that someone has to be encouraged to launch it.

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    4. Anonymous23:44

      It would be nice to see A3 back, and SK starting a 3pw to CPH. Once LHgp have the chance to optimise/increase the rotations it'll all be fine anyway.

      EDI-LJU on U2 could be winter-seasonal or extended winter-seasonal; they can probably use the frames more efficiently on other destinations during the summer.

      Other options:
      TP to LIS since they're building up their TATL operations; also a seemingly popular destination for Slovenians
      OK to PRG, though they're trying to get rid of their props and will likely lack frames
      U2 to somewhere on the Iberian peninsula: BCN/LIS/OPO
      BA year-round, even if 4pw
      Eventually one of EK/EY/QR will give it a go ... eventually

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  19. Anonymous09:22

    Slovenia as a small market needs a national airline that will operate with small profit or even small loss. If we want to have good connectivity and not only most profitable routes we need to set up a national airline.

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    1. JU520 BEGLAX09:45

      U talk fm the market environment back in the 1980s. Thats almost 4 decades back. Time hve changed and Good Morning to soon 2020 :-)

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    2. Anonymous14:22

      Small market + small airline + national airline = operating with small profit

      Good one. Have to remember when I have bad day to cheer me up.

      Trend is going towards huge airline takeover/integration in Europe, same as it happened in the USA couple of years ago. With IAG, LH, AF-KLM, Ryanair, Easyjet and perhaps Wizz Air being the main players.

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    3. ^^

      Pretty much what 2:22 wrote.

      It's just a matter of time when hybrid models are out of cash.

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  20. Anonymous09:22

    Congrats Lufthansa...

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    1. Don't forget Air Serbia... :)

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  21. Anonymous09:24

    Smart choice. If they want to connect Slovenia with the world, than they need to let others enter into the market without wasting more money.

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    1. Whoever wanted could enter market before adria, but nobody did. You think that was becouse small poor Adria or becouse what you/we here on ex yu think or wish is not realy relevant.

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  22. Anonymous09:27

    Great news

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  23. Anonymous09:29

    Seems like Swiss is also changing their schedule this summer with a better departure time. New carrier really not needed.

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    1. Cornholio22:35

      Really? Better schedule? 8pm departure from LJU. What have you been sniffing...

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  24. Anonymous09:30

    Well while you are all celebrating the arrival of LH, LX, SN and IB, I think the rush to launch flights to Ljubljana is over and I don't see many new airlines coming in the short term. In a year, Adria will be quite missed.

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    1. Anonymous09:34

      I heard rumours that Bulgaria Air is interested in launching flights as SOF-LJU had quite a lot of local demand.

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    2. Anonymous09:35

      That would be a nice addition.

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    3. Anonymous09:38

      I seriously doubt that the plane had more than 10% O&D. Besides, there is INI LJU now.

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    4. Anonymous09:40

      Well they obviously think there is enough demand to launch flights. I am sure they could fill a two weekly Embraer between Slovenia and Bulgaria.

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    5. Anonymous09:45

      Bulgaria air and think in one sentence is quite a stretch.
      Anyway, I wish them luck
      The demise of Adria means even worse connectivity in the Balkans. Slowly Balkan people have the choice between 15h journey on non-existing highways OR 30+ year old ATRs OR super expensive VIE transfer.

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    6. Anonymous09:54

      or just take a direct flight with Wizz ; )

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    7. Anonymous10:04

      Well there is also JU's A319 to INI which covers JP's destinations such as SKP, PRN and SOF. ;)

      As for the 30 year old Atr, seems like Slovenes don't mind since JU manages to operate 17 flights in winter. The other day they even sent the A320.

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    8. Anonymous10:29

      sitting 5 hours on NIs Express haha

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    9. Anonymous13:57

      SOF-LJU is definitely needed. Before JP demise they increased frequencies.
      JU began sending 737 and 319 so, clearly there is demand.

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    10. Anonymous14:23

      FB needs to launder some more money I guess, if they are planning to launch SOF-LJU.

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    11. Anonymous18:19

      I Flew LJU-BEG-SOF in October and there were 11 passengers transferring from LJU to SOF and 8 passengers transferring from SOF to LJU on the way back, so there must be some demand

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    12. Anonymous18:42

      How were the loads on your flights? Hopefully JU increases LJU to 21 next summer.

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    13. Anonymous18:43

      FB has been passive for years now and not dare to expand. Besides, it is not hard to fill an E190 to LJU. JP used to operate CR9 on the route.

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    14. Anonymous19:07

      By the end it was CR7.

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    15. @Anonymous 18:42

      LJU-BEG: sold out on atr
      BEG-SOF and SOF-BEG:60-65%
      BEG-LJU: 90% on atr

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    16. Anonymous20:49

      Wow LJU is really killing it especially since we are not talking about the busy summer months.

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    17. Anonymous23:33

      anon 20:09h
      Those are interesting figures.

      JU operated 737 to Sof on 16.12:

      https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ju123#23349056

      And next flight on 21.12 most likely with A319 or A320. TBC.
      Sof is in need of more Balkan capital connections for sure.

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  25. Anonymous09:30

    What happened to Adria's fleet? Is it still in LJU? I guess A319s went off pretty quickly but for the CRJs and especially Saabs it will be hard to find a job.

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    1. Anonymous09:32

      The CRJs and Airbuses are all gone. Not sure about the Saabs.

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    2. Anonymous09:34

      All Saabs have left Ljubljana at the end of November.

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    3. Anonymous09:49

      I think someone said in the comments before that A319s are going to go to JU

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    4. Anonymous09:51

      ^ it was made up. Planes are already gone. 2 heading for Turkish Airlines and 1 has been completely retired from service.

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    5. Anonymous09:52

      AAR and AAP are supposedly going to TK.

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    6. @An.09.32
      I flew from LJU 3 weeks ago and 3 ex- JP CRJ's were still parked there - two in Adria livery and one in Luxair's. When and where did they leave, do you know?

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    7. Anonymous14:25

      In the market with huge demand due to all sorts of problems (MAX, A320neo engines, B787 RR debacle, etc.), demand for CRJ is very low - due to high operating costs.

      And some brilliant people wanted to start a new airline again - with CRJ.

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    8. Anonymous23:50

      In the current eco-conscious environment CRJs are disgustingly unfashionable to operate. A CR9 uses as much fuel on a flight as an A320neo. You could put all-US-domestic-first-class seats in an A320neo and pay the same for fuel as on a CR9. Of course this doesn't take into account depreciation and capital expense, but CRJs are certainly thoroughly outdated.

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  26. Anonymous09:31

    It was a very expensive idea with uncertain return.

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  27. Smart decision.
    It is no luck that Slovenes are the wealthiest ex-yugoslavs

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    1. Anonymous09:38

      Qatar and the residents of Dubai are richer than Slovenes yet they subsidize their airlines in one way or another. Dubai was smart to have invested for years in EK, now they are collecting benefits. Slovenes just didn't know how to invest in aviation, that's all.

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    2. Anonymous09:38

      Agreed!

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    3. Anonymous10:06

      Comparing Slovenia to the Emirates .. wow. Just wow.

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    4. Anonymous10:33

      Where was Slovenia in 1985 and where was Dubai in 1985 Anon 10.06 ;)

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    5. Happy taxpayer, I would just change "the wealthiest" to "the least poor"

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    6. @An.10.33
      Slovenia was in Yugoslavia, Dubai was in United Arab Emirates :)

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    7. Anonymous10:50

      Yes, Anon @ 10:33, Slovenia is also sitting on a massive reserve of oil.

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    8. Anonymous11:01

      Dubai no longer has oil yet they have managed to remain relevant and successful. They knew how to invest their resources and to gamble on the right things. Thirty years ago they were no different than a fishing trading post in the middle of nowhere. Today they are a global hub in every sense of that word.

      You can't speak of Dubai today without looking where they came from. People on here like to speak how Slovenes are somehow smarter or more advanced than the rest of ex-YU yet when you compare them to some other successful countries ou there you see that they are not leaders in anything. They might be the first in the village but that's about it.

      Many tiny countries have escaped poverty and irrelevance. Singapore, Iceland and Malta being good examples. Rich countries without any natural resources. Singapore and Iceland even managed to build extremely successful airline businesses.

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    9. Anonymous11:05

      Ex-YU people like to give excuses why they are not rich or successful in stead of becoming it by changing something. Balkans in general will never change and when it comes to mentality Slovenia is very much a Balkan country. We saw that from the mess Adria was- among other things.

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    10. Back in 1985-1988 Yugoslavia had 3 airline companies with around 60 aircraft (JAT 36 and Adria and Aviogenex 12 each). At the same time UAE had one airline (Emirates) with 8 planes - 3 units B727 and 5 units A310. Did the oil help UAE to become what they are today in terms of aviation, together with geographical location - yes of course. On the other hand, did we manage to destroy everything we had, instead of doing opposite, from Triglav to Gevgelija, yes we did.
      Why, the question is, and one part of the answer is Balkan mentality. But the main reason is not that one - the main reason is positioned thousands of miles away from us, and totally beyond our control. And it has to do with the direction the World is going. Wrong direction, of course.

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    11. A mozes se i tako tjesiti.....mada traziti krivca tamo negdje je nezdravo

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    12. Evo ti samo jedna cinjenica tog vremena.
      Tada, bas u to vrijeme koje si naveo, zracni prostor SSSRa je bio zatvoren.

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    13. Anonymous14:09

      Vi ne kapirate da se danas leti neprekidno London Pert i da ce za dvadeset godina biti dvadeste takvih linija Frankfurt Sidnej i sl. Bliski istok i tamosnji aerodromi ce tada crci.

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    14. Anonymous14:27

      Easy to look smart on how you manage to operate a profitable airline (and only Emirates out of the ME3 is really profitable) when you've literally spended trillions on everything in the past 30 years.

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    15. @Ojoj
      Zracni prostor SSSR - a zatvoren 1995-1998. Neki ljudi samo lupe pa ostanu zivi. Svi letovi za Japan i Koreju iz Zapadne Europe isli su "transisibirskom rutom" - najkracom i najisplativijom. AY, SK, AF, BA, LH, KL, SR, SN, svi su letjeli tom rutom. Nisam siguran za IB i AZ, a jedino je OA isao juznom rutom sa slijetanjem u BKK. Sve evropske i puno svjetskih kompanija letjeli su za Moskvu, istocnoevropske kompanije i za druge sovjetske gradove, a Aeroflot za masu svjetskih destinacija. Kakav zatvoren sovjetski zracni prostor, o cemu pricas.
      A sto se tice onih zbog kojih me kritiziras da se tako tjesim, njihov scenarij nije sproveden samo u ex-yu, nego i u Libiji, Siriji, Iraku, Brazilu, Venezueli, Nigeriji, Jemenu, ima jos, a i bit ce jos. Toliko.

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    16. 1985-1988, correction

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    17. Anonymous18:45

      Anon 14.09

      Not true, Alan Joyce said that Project Sunrise will be some 30% more expensive to fly on that on one-stop flights so airlines that offer transfers will remain unaffected. Airlines such as EK,QR... will always have the advantage of frequencies and flexibility over those non-stop flights.

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    18. Anonymous23:25

      + who wants to sit in an economy seat for 17+ hours? not me- i'd rather stretch my legs somewhere (in the Gulf)

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  28. Anonymous09:36

    wow reading the comments, doesn't seem many Slovenes are missing Adria.

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    1. Anonymous09:40

      What was there to miss? Overpriced tickets and a pathetic onboard product?

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    2. No, we don't miss it. It was way too expensive. Only politicians and chosen employees from public sector who had privilige to fly for free (we paid for those free fligths) miss Adria. Those of us who had to buy tickets from our own pockets don't miss it. And also nobody misses direct flights to Tirana, Priština and even Sarajevo too.

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    3. Ne zavaravaj se.
      Ti pobrojani ce i dalje letjeti o tvoj trosak, u to sumnje nema.

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    4. Anonymous14:28

      Overpriced, delayed, cancelled, joined flights, the Balkan CRJ Express.

      Yeah, great airline.

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  29. Anonymous09:38

    not sure why u all congratulate Lufthansa now. It was cheaper for them to let JP fly for them.

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    1. Anonymous16:34

      Let's kill this falacy once for all. LH CEO said couple of years ago (when Adria was govt owned) that one of LH threats were small government supported airlines in CEE, somethig like that. If what you are trying to say is true, LH CEO would have said instead "our goal is to have a number of small CEE airlines operate flights for us cheaper than what it costs LH to fly". But he didn't say that.

      LH wants complete control of CEE and getting rid of Adria's of the region is what LH wants.

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    2. Anonymous17:40

      I doubt he was talking about Adria when all they were doing was feeding LH. I see more Malev, Tarom, LOT, Jat into these group of airlines

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    3. Anonymous17:57

      Malev was already gone at that time, and Air Serbia, Montenegro, Croatia, Tarom all belong to that group. LH was approached to save Adria or help restart the new airline but they refused. If it was beneficial for them they would have done it. LH goal is destroy all those airlines unless they own them. It doesn't help if they codeshare, are part of Star Alliance and provide feed to LH. LH wants control. But you are free to keep ignoring reality.

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    4. Anonymous18:47

      Well OS is struggling because of the LCC onslaught in Vienna, their losses are mounting and they are starting to rationalize their network. I expect massive cuts in their feeding network in winter 2020. This is great news for JU because they can grow at their expense really. By the time Wizz Air kills off Austrian Airlines, Air Serbia will have a serious regional presence. LH's plan fell apart the moment Wizz Air started attacking them.

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  30. JU520 BEGLAX09:43

    Smart and good decision.

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  31. Anonymous09:43

    No need to burn taxpayers money again, Millions of EUR have been burned already.

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  32. Anonymous11:44

    This is the best decision for Slovenia. Now let the market develop on its own.

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  33. Anonymous12:13

    Mark my words LH group will benefit from this. Just wait and see.

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    1. Anonymous14:29

      If they manage to increase connections, while not getting a single cent of subisides, great.

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    2. Anonymous17:26

      What's wrong if the LH Group benefits? As long as travelers from LJU have other options -- and they do --, that's not really a problem.

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  34. I nikom nista?
    Pametna odluka, sjesti na klupu i drijemati dok drugi igraju?

    Ne, to je kriva odluka.

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    1. Anonymous17:24

      No, a Slovenian carrier can always enter the market -- if there's market demand. There's just no reason for a state-owned airline. Until very recently, Adria was a state-run project, and it has high fares, LLC levels of service, and an artificially dominant position in the market. Slovenian travelers had less and less benefit from it in a competitive environment; that's why many chose to use airports in northern Italy or southern Austria instead.

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    2. Anonymous17:27

      *LCC

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  35. Adria was the last bastion of the Slovenian business brand - now we only have Gorenje left as a Slovenia-owned company.

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    1. Anonymous14:29

      Gorenje was sold to Chinese in 2018.

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  36. Anonymous19:04

    Honestly, I think this is the best thing that can happen. We all know how old-fashioned the JP model was in many ways.

    - Lack of strategy
    - Opening of bases in extremely random destinations
    - Super mix of the fleet - not sticking to 1 or 2 types
    - Deployment of mini aircraft on important routes
    - Not enough focus on the Balkans
    - Not working with bigger airlines excl. LH

    Other smaller European states definitely nailed it: Latvia, Malta, Cyprus and even Slovakia without a national carrier today seems in a healthy condition after it lost SkyEurope in 2009 and recovering figures from those days.
    LJU can apply the BTS model and introduce a higher presence of LCC but also most importantly charter flights. It is now very good to see big, legacy and prestigious airlines arriving in summer but lets focus on LCC and sit and talk with FR.

    The conclusion is, yes we are sad JP is dead but LJU will remain alive for sure. What´s more is that prices will (and are) now much cheaper to fly TO Slovenia.

    MAD is a huge city and airport and securing a link with IB is just awesome. What is surprising is that it is mainland IB and not IB Express, Vueling or LEVEL.

    Just made a random search and it seems IB will be even deploying A321 in August!!

    mar. 28 jul.
    Iberia
    12:05 — 14:50
    Madrid (MAD) - Liubliana (LJU)
    Económica 2h 45m
    distancia entre asientos: 71 cm
    Comida ligera (de pago)
    Iberia 3286 · Jet de fuselaje angosto · Airbus A319

    Vuelta
    LJU - MAD
    2h 50m
    mar. 4 ago.
    Iberia
    15:30 — 18:20
    Liubliana (LJU) - Madrid (MAD)
    Económica 2h 50m
    distancia entre asientos: 71 cm
    Comida ligera (de pago)
    Iberia 3287 · Jet de fuselaje angosto · Airbus A321-100/200

    PRECIO: 203€

    I predict we see a nice presence of oneworld in LJU next summer.
    Exciting times ahead!

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  37. Anonymous21:00

    Typical Slovenian logic, I care only about my grass. It does not matter, that the company I work for will start to lose international clients. I will have less stressful job.

    Slovenia standard of leaving will go down to level of Bosna.

    Nice future.

    Kramberger was right
    Slovenec tujec na lastni zemlji.

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    1. Anonymous21:14

      International client buys a less than convenient ticket at reasonable prices and arrives as scheduled....

      Or...

      International client buys an overpriced ticket, his flight gets joined with another one, is now overbooked an he has to take the next one tomorrow morning. He tries calling Adria call center and no-one from #adria4ever picks up. The flight the next morning is delayed for 5 hours.

      Which of these two scenario makes Slovenia look like a serious business partner?

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    2. Anonymous21:32

      Define 'international client' LCC low budget client? Or High value-added client?
      Do you see high value-added client to fly LCC?

      What is your value proposition (business and tourist segments):
      What reason will high value-added client have to go to Slovenia?
      What reason will low value-added client have to go to Slovenia?

      Does Slovenia have any control over its international links to drive development of the country?

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    3. Anonymous21:45

      Vojaki iz Afganistana predvidoma v drugi polovici marca
      Pripadnice in pripadniki 10. kontingenta Slovenske vojske, ki te dni končujejo delovanje v silah Isaf, se bodo v domovino vrnili nekaj dni pozneje, kot je bilo načrtovano.

      Slovenska vojska nima svojega strateškega zračnega transporta, zato ji brezplačni transport v Afganistan in iz njega zagotavlja ameriška vojska. Ta je zaradi drugih prednostnih nalog prevoz slovenskih vojakov danes, 10. marca, prestavila na 31. marec. Oddelek za premike in transport Poveljstva sil SV je takoj po prejemu obvestila o prestavitvi datuma začel urejati prevoz z drugim pogodbenim prevoznikom Adrio Airways. Ta bo predvidoma v tednu dni prepeljala 64 slovenskih vojakov iz Afganistana v Slovenijo.

      Pripadnice in pripadniki trenutno predajajo dolžnosti in sredstva v vojaških bazah v Kabulu in Heratu, kjer so delo opravljali preteklih šest mesecev. Tako bodo pripadnikom 11. kontingenta zagotovili postopno uvedbo v delo v operaciji kriznega odzivanja Isafa. Po predaji dolžnosti in sredstev se bodo premaknili na letališče v Kabulu, od koder bodo odšli domov.

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  38. Anonymous21:55

    When Adria Airways was under SLOVENIAN control, it always supported national interest of its country.
    It provided links when 'the market' did not!!!!

    Will foreign aircraft carrier support Slovenian national interest? Think

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    1. Anonymous23:18

      Yes, foreign carriers will support this. Do you think an airline like LH, BA or IB will lose an opportunity if they see a market, hungry for new deals and destinations? Think.
      Lets move on and evolve the Slovenian aviation.
      Also the new airport will be ready in 1 year and 2 months time.....by that time Fraport should have brought many new comers to LJLJ.

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    2. Anonymous23:39

      Anonymous@21:55: Please explain how high fares -- which caused many people to use alternate airports in other countries -- were in Slovenia's interest.

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    3. Anonymous00:11

      Anonymous@21:55 Please also explain how flights to PRN/TIA/SJJ were in the Slovenian national interest? Especially when they didn't fly to anywhere in Italy, Spain, Portugal or France outside Paris. Or to London. Or anywhere in Germany that wasn't just feeding LH flights. Because PRN/TIA/SJJ are clearly much bigger business and tourism hubs than any of those places. What is this mythical connectivity Slovenia lost by losing a handful of Balkan destinations, PRG and VIE (latter can be reached by road anyway)? While it never had connections to actually relevant places like Rome, Lyon, Madrid? And remember LJU-Fraport saying PRN/TIA/SJJ mostly carried transfer passengers and had low LF anyway. Unless you think it's in the Slovenian national interest to ensure (twice) daily flights for two chance Slovenian businessmen.

      Also, please explain what Slovenian national interest is. People keep bandying that phrase around, and almost invariably it turns out that it's whatever is in their own interest but they can somehow dress up as though it's also in the interest of others.

      Admit to yourself and the world JP either fed LHgp hubs, flew to destinations others already flew to (AMS, CDG, BEG, TGD, previously MOW&IST) or flew to airports in the Balkans with low LFs because a small number of powerful people wanted them to. Same people who then urged the government to bail out Adria or start a new one, so they could keep flying non-stop to undesirable destinations without paying the cost of it themselves.

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  39. Anonymous10:14

    Example 1 (current time required for airfare to VIE)
    LJU - VIE duration 5h 20 min
    VIE - LJU duration 5h 30min price 189eur

    Example 2 business trip to Frankfurt
    ARRIVAL
    LJU - FRA 11:05 arrival 12:25 + 1h to meeting first time for possible meeting 13:00 (20% of work day left) not really an option,
    IN FRANKFURT
    +1-day sleep, Meeting, +1-day sleep = hotels cost 200 EUR
    DEPARTURE
    FRA - LJU 09:15 Air fare €180
    COST TO EMPLOYER
    Average Slovenian salary = 1400 eur / 20 = 70 EUR / day *3 = 210 EUR

    TOTAL COST 180 + 200 + 210 = 590 EUR

    ADRIA AIRWAYS 2 ROTATIONS = business trip 1 day
    No hotel cost
    cost of salary 1 day = 70 EUR cost

    590 - 70 = 520 EUR

    CONCLUSION
    So everything below 520 EUR for air fare for 1 day business trip is better option.

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  40. Cornholio17:45

    Stupid comparison. Opportunity cost of time for business travelers is surely > 70 EUR/day.

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  41. Anonymous10:48

    https://www.rtvslo.si/gospodarstvo/kako-drzavni-uradniki-potujejo-v-bruselj/509474

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