Air Serbia to further grow operations this summer


Air Serbia has made further adjustments to its 2020 summer network, with the airline to add frequencies on another two routes out of Belgrade, joining the twelve cities that have already been increased for the upcoming season and the six new destinations it will launch from its hub. The Serbian carrier will be adding another two weekly frequencies between Belgrade and Milan for a total of eight weekly services. It comes just days following the collapse of Air Italy, which maintained operations to cities such as Cairo, New York and Moscow, which are served by Air Serbia. Additionally, the company will add another two weekly flights to Paris for a total of sixteen weekly, although these will run only during April and May, until the airline begins introducing six new routes to its network.

As previously reported, the carrier will up frequencies from the Serbian capital to Prague, Zagreb, Tirana, Skopje, Bucharest, Ljubljana, Dubrovnik, Tivat, Larnaca, Madrid, Barcelona and Istanbul. On the other hand, it will discontinue its four weekly seasonal flights to Hamburg and will no longer babysit Etihad Airways’ daily London Heathrow slots, as was the case last summer, although these were operated exclusively by Etihad equipment. The airline is still in the process of finalising its fleet for the upcoming summer and is still sourcing a Bombardier CRJ900 to wetlease over the peak summer months. It plans to add two Airbus A319 aircraft to its fleet, while additional ATR72s are also expected to join.

Unlike last year’s summer expansion, which marked Air Serbia’s return to a number of markets previously served by its predecessors Jat Airways and JAT Yugoslav Airlines, this year will see the airline introduce flights to markets it primarily did not serve in the past. The only two to have been operated were Geneva (last served by JAT from Ljubljana in 1985) and Amman (previously maintained over the summer of 2001). The carrier will also be introducing flights to Lviv, Rostov-on-Don, Florence and Chisinau. It will face direct competition only on its services to Geneva from low cost carrier easyJet.

Late last year Air Serbia said it sees low cost competition as a key challenge. However, it noted that offering connections via Belgrade gives it a competitive advantage. “What we have compared to some of our low cost competition in the region is better connectivity with our Belgrade hub. So, we are not only relying on our Belgrade to Paris customers. We are taking people from Tel Aviv, Beirut, Krasnodar - different places that maybe you are not considering that Belgrade could serve as a nice transfer hub for these sorts of markets. When you have these connecting markets, you can then sell 60% of seats on a point to point basis but you can fill the rest of the 40% with transfer passengers”, the company said.




Comments

  1. Anonymous09:04

    Great news. They just keep growing.

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  2. Anonymous09:06

    I think they are taking on too much. Don't know what will happen with their schedule if one of their aircraft goes tech.

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    1. Anonymous09:08

      +1

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    2. Anonymous09:09

      There will be huge delays. It happened during peak summer last year too.

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    3. Anonymous09:09

      And what airline doesn't have network meltdowns in summer? Have you ever flown through FRA in summer?

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    4. Anonymous09:49

      Comparing BEG with FRA is hilarious.
      Precisely because you have a much mini airport, your flights have to be 95% on time, cappicci?

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    5. Anonymous09:54

      Not really. In general large airlines/aiports have more spare aircraft/gate capacity so your comment is actually stupid.

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    6. Anonymous10:06

      The size of an airport is irrelevant, what you need to look at it what kind of customers it attracts. For BEG there tends to be delays mostly because of ATC restrictions especially over Hungary where their ATC staff is overworked and understaffed, they even threatened with strike action. So let's say a flight to AMS has to be delayed by 20 minutes, it means regional flights will also be delayed because of connecting traffic which means they will be late coming back to Belgrade.... and so on and on.

      As for FRA, it's a mess because it grew too much and is disorganized. Exactly because they have been in this business so long they should not have such problems.

      And finally, Wizz Air's on time performance in Belgrade is quite, especially in summer. It's not uncommon for their flights to have 2 hour delays and that is without trasnfer passengers. LOL

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    7. Anonymous10:36

      Anon 10:06 have you looked FR24 during summer? Most AC overflying Hungary are on time. Your story is not valid for most part. Problem with JU is late gate closing /dispatch and tech reasons.

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    8. Anonymous10:47

      Not only did I look at FR24 but I also read articles online and follow the news out there. I have a source for my claim yet you have none for yours:

      https://bbj.hu/business/hungarocontrol-air-traffic-controllers-union-reach-agreement_164553

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    9. Anonymous11:36

      Yes, lets put the blame on Hungary. LOL!!
      Strangely enough nobody complained about W6 delays who Also use the same trajectory. Problem is with JU ground staff. There were many delays last year.

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    10. Anonymous11:41

      Well if you open a map and you will see why Hungarian ATC issues impact JU to such a large extent. And of course no one speaks of Wizz Air here because certain people have them on a pedestal.

      As for ground staff, if you were following the situation more closely, JU staff no longer exists after ASGS was terminated. It's all Vinci now. So if you want to blame someone blame them.

      Finally can you post a link or a source claiming what you say? Because there are many sources to back my claim tha ATC restrictions are becoming an increasing problem.

      Your problem is with JU given all the faulty arguments you have used so far.

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    11. Anonymous12:07

      Anon 11:41 BTW not all same people repying to you on this topic (fact!!!). I am sure most of us would love to have JU with stellar performance so don't get so easily wind-up with excuses about JU negativity. There are definitively other issues affecting the schedule but most of them are Beg / JU attitude "lako cemo" so 15-20 min doesn't really matter.

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    12. Anonymous14:08

      You are all forgetting one important thing here. This summer for the first time ever luggage that comes from EU countries won't have to be scanned at BEG. This will also reduce delays since we have one scanning machine in our airport sortirnica. This is great news when you have 60 transfers from Paris to Beirut.

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    13. Anonymous14:15

      Clearly JU's delays are everyone else's fault but JU's!
      The staff you read in this blog never stop surprising me...

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    14. Anonymous14:21

      How can they be JU's when ground operations are run by Vinci and air traffic delays are becoming a massive problem. You tell us since you think you know it best or is it easier to just blame JU for everything and anything in the aviation world? Hm? Tell us!

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    15. Anonymous16:38

      There you go...another very good and reliable portal clearly showing the 2019 delays:

      https://simpleflying.com/air-serbia-delayed-flights-2019/

      "The delays
      The total number of Air Serbia flights in this time period between June and November was 19 645, of which almost 1500 arrived with a delay of more than 45 minutes. This represents almost 10%. <------ this is serious!!

      Meanwhile, 23% of these 19 645 flights arrived within 15 minutes of the scheduled arrival time. 20% were between 15 and 45 minutes late and 2% were diverted."

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    16. Anonymous16:39

      They just copy/pasted BIRN...

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    17. Anonymous16:52

      Not only did they copy BIRN without any additional research to fix some stupidities they wrote. Plus Simple Flying is hardly a reliable or good source.

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    18. Anonymous16:54

      Well, I see you are not taking this delays thing seriously. There are even more comments in TrustPilot, which is considered one of the most prestigious websites regarding comments...

      https://www.trustpilot.com/review/airserbia.com

      As you can see, the score is not good at all. Management should focus on growth but also on having a reliable and punctual airline.
      Delays of 7 up to 10 hours.

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    19. Anonymous17:03

      I think JU IS shutting down now that you posted that link. :(

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    20. Anonymous17:19

      You do realise that having low ratings on TripAdvisor, Skytrax, Fly from Nis Facebook page and now TrustPilot is serious.
      I am just trying to make you understand that the delays must be improved, that's it.
      Nobody wants JU to go, but they must focus on QUALITY not quantity as they are doing now.
      FR had serious issues in the past with their reputation and focusing on money, money forgetting about the client.
      They then lost clients and now they made major improvements and are especially very strict when it comes to punctuality.

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    21. Anonymous17:21

      22% of Wizz Air UK flights were late and they have no transfers.

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    22. Anonymous22:01

      JU is not even close to being the least punctual airline in Europe. Much ado about nothing.

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    23. Anonymous23:59

      LOL JU haters are losing it. FR24, TripAdvisor, Skytrax, Facebook pages are NOT tools for professionals! I can imagine some poor guy who's business proposal was turned down or something like that is now looking up those sites for a reference to appear more credible but he ends up being even more pathetic in his efforts.

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  3. Anonymous09:08

    So on some days there will be 4 daily flights BEG-CDG when AF is included. Nice.

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    1. Anonymous09:09

      Yup these new flights leave BEG at 16.05 so they return to Belgrade at around 21.55. This is perfect as it will reduce delays on those days to BEY, LCA, KRR... as passengers can be rebooked in case there is a network meltdown.

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  4. Anonymous09:08

    They will lease more equipment than stated in the article. What the article stated is just what is confirmed to date, except for wet leased CRJ which is uncertain.

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    1. Anonymous10:30

      So can you tell us in total how many planes they will lease and how many are being returned?

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  5. Anonymous09:09

    Italy seems to be becoming one of their main markets.

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    1. Anonymous09:10

      Growing in MXP is great because that's a rich and big Western European market whose passengers can afford to pay higher fares. Also for JU it's great because flights are not long so operating costs are not that high.

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    2. Anonymous09:14

      Yes. So now they will have flights to Rome, Milan, Florence and Bologna right?

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    3. Anonymous09:20

      and Venice

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    4. Anonymous09:22

      Oops yes forgot about Venice. So five cities in Italy in total.

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    5. Anonymous09:23

      It's odd they haven't considered Trieste. It was served by Jat for years.

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    6. Anonymous09:32

      I think with LJU being 17 weekly there is no room for Trieste. Also don't forget that this winter they actually increased VCE from 2 to 3 if I am not wrong.

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    7. Anonymous09:35

      Exactly, didn't LH reduce Trieste from 3 to 2 daily once they launched LJU?

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    8. Anonymous09:36

      True, yes they did.

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    9. Anonymous09:45

      No, LH does not fly to Trieste anymore, they cancelled the route so they could start ops to LJU

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    10. Anonymous10:11

      Yes yes how yes no:

      https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/lh1939

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    11. Anonymous10:28

      Lufthansa certainly still flies to Trieste (from Munich). During the summer they also have seasonal flights from Frankfurt. But they did decrease the frequency to Trieste so they could accommodate capacity to Ljubljana. They said so themselves.

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    12. Anonymous10:46

      And yesterday Air Serbia flew the A330 on a charter to Palermo :)

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    13. Anonymous10:58

      Full A330 on a charter to Palermo.

      There, fixed it for you. :P

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    14. Anonymous20:35

      A330 also goes to Genova on 15.3. Charter.

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  6. Anonymous09:11

    Good for them for going after MXP-CAI market, Air Italy used to run ten weekly flights and even before their bankruptcy JU had like 25 transfers per flight. Now we can expect even more, CAI will eventually become a major destination for JU.

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    1. Anonymous10:27

      They had up to 10 weekly flights from Milan to Cairo? wow. There is a good chance JU will take over a part of these passengers.

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    2. Anonymous10:35

      Yup, ten weekly and that's in addition to Egyptair also flying and I think even Alitalia flies or it used to fly in the past. Market is huge.

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  7. Anonymous09:13

    Interesting that MXP is boosted to 8/week from the start of the summer season, so from 01.04.2020. Nice to see that they didn't wait for June.

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    1. Anonymous10:26

      Good. I guess they will be able to do this because one (or two) A319s are joining at the end of March.

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    2. Anonymous10:36

      Seems like they are working on reducing seasonality which is why Athens, Thessaloniki, Skopje and Tirana are also boosted from April.

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  8. Anonymous09:13

    It seems they have become very quick at responding to airline bankruptcies. First Adria, then Atlasglobal and now Air Italy.

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    1. Anonymous09:20

      Because they probably saw it works for them to respond in such a way.

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  9. Sorry to see Hamburg leave the network. It could have worked with a better schedule and CRJ.

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    1. Anonymous09:20

      I think they used the CRJ on this route last summer if I'm not mistaken.

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    2. Anonymous09:22

      Maybe they should have stuck to it seeing as TAROM is also terminating Hamburg.

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    3. Anonymous09:33

      Wizz Air is also terminating OTP-HAJ which is in the same catchment area. Seems like that area is generally weak from the Balkans. I think JU needed the plane elsewhere on more lucrative markets.

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    4. Anonymous10:25

      Is it possible that Hamburg has increased its fees or something? I find it hard to believe that three airlines from three markets all next to each other are suspending the route just like that.

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    5. Anonymous10:58

      easyJet also closed its hub there about two years ago. Weak market.

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    6. Anonymous19:07

      HAM stvarno mi nije jasno. Prvo fanatiscne rezultate pa onda ukidanje linije. Molim? Koliko ja znam CR9 bio skoro uvek pun. Wizz leti SKP-HAM 2x nedeljno, i to sa A321. Toliko narodna sa ex-YU, RO, BG i na serveru Nemacke. 3 puta nedeljno, sa boljom konekcijom, marketingom i eto uspeha.

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    7. Anonymous19:58

      Ако су многобројне компаније смањиле или укинуле Хамбург онда је проблем до тржишта а не до самих фирми које лете тамо. Очигледно да аеродром не ради нешто како ваља.

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    8. Anonymous08:52

      I think there is something wrong with OTP as well, now Ryanair is cutting OTP-TLV from April, it was operated three times per week. Seems like there was overcapacity in Romania.

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  10. Anonymous09:24

    Couldn't have they just wet-leased another CRJ or dry-leased an A319 to make room for more CDG flights, or to keep HAM, introdce OSL or VLC which they were planning

    I guess crew shortage Is starting to be an issue

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    1. Anonymous09:26

      Leasing planes does not come cheap.

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    2. Anonymous10:25

      While it would be nice I agree with the anon above. Leasing is expensive, especially short term wet leases during the height of summer.

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  11. Anonymous09:29

    MXP-CAI 07-15.04.2020

    Air Serbia
    MXP-BEG 20.45-22.25
    BEG-CAI 23.10-02.05

    CAI-BEG 02.50-05.55
    BEG-MXP 07.10-08.55

    Total price: €200

    Aegean

    MXP-ATH 17.45-21.10
    ATH-CAI 23.55-00.50

    CAI-ATH 03.10-06.10
    ATH-MXP 08.25-10.00

    Total price: €347
    There were cheaper flights but with overnight connections, or really long ones. Those are sold for about €300. Aegean is also reducing MXP this summer from 21 to 19 weekly flights.

    Alitalia

    MXP-FCO 19.00-20.20
    FCO-CAI 22.10-01.30

    CAI-FCO 03.35-07.10
    FCO-CAI 09.10-10.25

    Total price: €336 with luggage

    Ukraine International

    MXP-KBP 14.40-18.25
    KBP-CAI 20.00-23.20

    CAI-KBP 04.50-08.30
    KBP-MXP 10.40-12.30

    Total price without luggage €228

    Austrian Airlines

    MXP-VIE 07.10-08.40
    VIE-CAI 11.10-15.40

    CAI-VIE 03.35-06.15
    VIE-MXP 08.45-10.10

    Total price: €441 without luggage

    I looked at Turkish Airlines but the fare was really expensive, over €400 for those dates.

    So JU has a competitive schedule and a good price. It helps that flying time from Milan is about an hour so not many expenses there. Good for them for chasing this market.

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    1. Anonymous12:18

      You are better than Purger ;l

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    2. Anonymous12:50

      What do you mean Anon 12.18

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    3. Anonymous14:21

      Good job JU for offering cheap flights to people who want to travel between Milan and Cairo!
      These foreigners sure deserve subsidized travel paid by Serbian tax payers!

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    4. Anonymous14:24

      The last time I checked JU didn't have an operating loss meaning those €200 are making them money. JU is losing money on bloated administration but hey, you obviously have an agenda and are bothered by JU's growth and success.

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    5. When the costs of operating the airline are higher than your revenues you do have operating losses!
      The difference is paid by the state. So yes, those €200 connections are loss making fares and thus are subsidized by the state..

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    6. Continue: JU needs to make sure that is able to command higher fares for connecting flights, by offering good schedules and easy transfers in BEG. I suspect that losses are caused by these type of fares. I believe O&D itineraries are profitable by now, we can see that the fares are at a satisfactory level.

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    7. Anonymous14:37

      Happy taxpayer
      +1

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    8. Anonymous15:46

      Nonsense, utter and absolute nonsense. How can you claim those €200 are not enough when you don't know if MXP is a profitable destination for JU? You are basing your argument on the fact that JU as a whole business is not profitable so hey, all routes must be loss-making? Stupid argument with no link with business reality. Since JU switched to this model losses sank from €70 million to around €20 and subsidies from the government keep on getting smaller and smaller. So yes, seems like offering €200 fares is a step in the right direction. What is killing JU are not transfers from europe to the Middle East but JFK. Without it the airline would be profitable. Don't forget that JU is not filling MXP only with transfers to Cairo but those 144 seats are filled with many different transfers and locals as well. JU seems to know what it's doing.

      If you think you know better then you might want to let JU know so they can hire you. All I see here is constant criticism with no concrete proposal on what should be done.

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    9. Anonymous15:51

      Well BEG is incredibly profitable so anything the government invests into JU is paid back through the airport. ;)
      Didn't the airport make €37 million last year while government invested €20 into JU? So net profit was some €17 million.

      I think some of you would rather see JU shut down so that you can fly on Wizz Air for €300 to BVA.

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    10. Anonymous16:02

      JU today is where LO and BT were a decade ago, on the brink of collapse and the only thing that saved them was growth. JU is doing the same so please stop writing the same thing over and over again. We understand that you don't want JU to grow and improve but for the firs time ever, we have a seriously run airline based in BEG which is actually trying to put costs under control and to reach profitability.

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    11. Anonymous16:19

      Romania just invested €150 million into RO. Croatia invested €33 million after having invested €100 some years ago. Montenegro keeps on throwing millions as well as so does Italy into Alitalia. When you see how much Serbia puts into JU and what we get in return I would say we have a good deal.

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    12. Anonymous18:37

      And OU opened with 33 mil + PSO of 10 mil each year 2 seasonal (!) routes!

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    13. Anonymous19:10

      The true idea of PSO is to meet the deficit on a specific unprofitable but necessary route and not to serve as a pretext to shift money to an airline to finance other causes, including its growth. So this criticism is unjustified.

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    14. Anonymous20:01

      The point he is trying to make is that there is no adequate value for money in any case whether it is OU, RO, YM or whatever. Their governments are investing too much while getting very little in return. Serbia invests around €20 million and gets an expanding airline that connects Belgrade to the world. What does Croatia get? A struggling carrier that doesn't even fly to Berlin. What does Romania get? A shrinking airline on the brink of collapse that is closing routes left and right (ODS, ARN, HAM, TBS, EVN are all routes they discontinued this year).

      So all in all Serbia has a good deal especially since JU is pulling its act together and it has good chances at being profitable down the road. RO, OU or YM have about the same chance at profitability as TG or MH.

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    15. Anonymous20:04

      Of course, it is unjustified as long as it is Air Serbia concerned, but each domestic route in Croatia is unjustified? Yeah, right.

      Why would there be a difference between PSO flight ZAG-DBV and VIE-KVO except he fact that DBV is despite PSO during the summer very financially viable route?

      Serbia does not have a coast or a airport that is in Serbia so far away from BEG as DBV is far from ZAG but it has large Serbian diaspora in VIE and has big interest to financially help that route.

      The same situation is with INI.

      So, no difference at all except the fact that OU received in who knows how many past years PSO money for profitable routes too and Serbia started providing PSO for INI and KVO only last year.

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    16. Anonymous20:19

      And you really think that ZAG-DBV is not viable in winter? How come BEG-TIV is in addition to BEG-TGD? Something is not adding up here. Tivat is pretty small, probably about the same size as Dubrovnik but the only difference is that DBV-ZAG doesn't have a direct competitor 78 km away, BEG-TIV does.

      Furthermore, what kind of economic benefit do you have from OSI-ZAG operated on a tiny plane? Do you really need a subsidized flight from ZAG to SPU or from ZAG to Istra where distances are not that great? Serbia is subsidizng KVO-VIE and INI-HAJ but not BEG-KVO or BEG-INI. Serbia even discontinued PSO routes that didn't make sense like INI-BUD. When was the last time Croatia terminated a PSO route for OU?

      Finally you are speaking only of PSO, that's not the only thing OU has been receiving from the government. They just got €33 million on top of the €100 million they got some years ago. Those were not PSO, they were direct government subsidies. What did Croats get in return? A Star Alliance feeder airline. Those subsidies were hardly for the benefit of the Croatian traveller or Croatian economy. I mean, heck, OU was mostly kicked out from the coast. It's so bad that now they have to rely on charters from LJU while ignoring OSI which had a deal with JU to operate charters but were turned down by Zagreb. So why is OU ignoring eastern Croatia whose tax money is keeping them alive while running behind Slovenian market and their tourists?

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    17. Anonymous20:28

      +100

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    18. Anonymous20:35

      How do you know that Croatian PSOs are intended just as a cover-up to subsidise OU? Doesn't the fact that some of them are operated by a different airline actually show us that the tender procedure is at least in part indeed open and intended to look for the best offer? If so, why would the goverment overpay if the money can as a result of the tender go to a different place than OU?

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    19. Anonymous20:46

      It is interesting you did not answer on a single question being asked to you but instead of it you place new questions. Smart, but not smart enough.

      Comparing to OU the percentage of PSO money that is received by other air carriers in Croatia is minor.

      "If so, why would the goverment overpay if the money can as a result of the tender go to a different place than OU?"

      From the same reason government keeps LCC's out of ZAG. To protect Croatia Airlines and all "capable" managers there.

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    20. Anonymous20:55

      Anon 20.35

      Has it crossed your mind that OU doesn't have enough planes to operate all PSO routes? Do you honestly think OU and the government have not arranged for PSO before it is announced? I mean they agree on keeping LCCs out of ZAG and you think they are not going to do it for this? I highly doubt it.

      Also someone posted on here how much OU gets per seat and it's a very high number from what I remember. This can only indicate that it is indeed there to subsidize OU, what other reason is there?

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    21. Anonymous21:03

      Discontinuation of the PSO soon after its start like it happened with INI-BUD unfortunately shows that from the start it was not intended to make sure an essential route is covered with service. In other words it was started without any knowledge of the sponsor of the route as to whether there is a need for that route or not and then everybody was surprised that there is no interest even at the minimum level, so that the airline makes money with the PSO, and the route was closed.

      No knowledge of the sponsor whether there is a need for this service prior to start of the PSO means no PSO was justified from the start.

      If as a public body I need a service for INI-BUD because I know it is essential but missing and I agree to pay for the service under the PSO, I expect service to be rendered whether the airline that contracted for that route with me makes money or not. The same way when I contract somebody to refurbish the road, because it is essential that people can travel on that particular road, I expect him to do the job and don't dissolve the contract just because it proved later on to be loss making for the contactor.

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    22. Anonymous21:10

      If (a) the only reason Croatia has also other airlines doing PSOs is that OU doesn't have enough planes and (b) the PSOs indeed serve only to pump money into OU, then why don't they just limit PSOs to those that can be served by OU with their planes? How do you explain the fact that Croatia contracts also other airlines to do PSOs, as by contracting others they don't pump money into OU?

      If these other PSOs are indeed needed and those operated by OU are all fake, serving just to pump money into OU, why Croatia doesn't shift OU's operations onto the PSOs now operated by other airlines and closes the fake ones, while pumping money to OU on the non-fake ones operated by OU after removal of other airlines from these non-fake PSO routes?

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    23. Anonymous21:18

      And pls don't tell me that it matters that other airlines have just 10 or 20 or whatever % of the PSOs in Croatia. If these PSO's are not needed, why keep them up and lose money, whether it is 10% or 20% or ?% of the total?

      If Croatia overpays on PSOs, why at all sponsor other airlines on these one-sided contracts, irrespective of the number of those contracts?

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    24. Anonymous21:32

      Amount of PSO payment per seat tells us little, because PSO is intended to cover the deficit on the route, and the estimated deficit per seat may differ depending on the interest from pax, length of the route, the type of plane etc.

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    25. Anonymous21:56

      Anon 20:01...The Romanian government is spending a lot in RO and getting little in return? Are you sure? Do you ever read the news?
      RO will receive 9 brand new ATR72 jets, which were previously ordered:

      http://atraircraft.com/newsroom/pressrelease/tarom-selects-atr-72-600-to-renew-its-regional-fleet-1568-en.html

      What has JU done with its turbojet relics?

      Secondly, RO signed a deal with Boeing in 2018 ordering 5 MAX jets, what has JU done? Order old Airbuses from who knows where.

      Thirdly, RO has an extensive domestic network - does JU have that?
      Fourthly, RO is a long term SkyTeam member - does JU even belong to one?

      Yes, fierce competition is challenging RO but it is still developing as a carrier.

      Please, before coming here and bashing the rest of the airlines think straight.
      Happy for JU but not happy you always think it is the number 1 and the rest are not.

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    26. Anonymous21:59

      I think I answered all the questions, but one about the recent 33 mln euro injection into OU. Maybe (a genuine question) it is the result of the fact that OU has all of its planes leased? So OU needs to pay a lot for the leases and other airlines in ex-Yu that own substantial part of their fleet don't have to pay so much for the leases? So compared with OU, for this very reason the latter airlines don't need (or at least shouldn't need) any cash injection, even though they are operating at more or less the same level of financial/operating efficiency/inefficiency like OU? Maybe the amount of the recent injection just compensates the difference for a couple of years of operations?

      If OU had received more capital from their shareholder in the first place and owned substantial part of their fleet, maybe they would make no losses or at least they wouldn't deepen their losses by the amounts of these lease payments? Maybe only then OU would be directly comparable with airlines that are owning substantial part of their fleet as now you are trying to compare apples and oranges?

      And pls don't tell me about the previous 100 mln euro. It was received at a time when all airlines in the region were receiving crazy huge outright subsidies, but some exited that period with ownership of their planes and the others without ownership of their planes and this is the difference I want to point to explaining why some of them may need recapitalisation and the others don't (or at least shouldn't).

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    27. Anonymous22:12

      How many PSO is given to airlines other than OU? How many seats do all of them offer and what is OU's share in all that? If we look at these things then we see that OU does indeed dominate this market which can only lead us to conclude that indeed, they are getting these funds to stay alive.

      As for BUD-INI, it's one route that was discontinued and it shows that the Serbian government has far more sense than the Croatian one which is keeping OSI-ZAG alive for those three passengers per flight. It's a waste of resources and taxpayer funds.

      As for RO, they are actually scaling down on their domestic network with many routes being cut. They are losing money hand over fist and they are sinking faster than OU is, and that says a lot really. Tarom is in no ways ahead of JU, neither in terms of network, size, passenger numbers... RO might have a domestic network but JU has an entire Balkan network with more weekly frequencies than RO could imagine. So you were comparing apples to oranges there. Also, the last time I checked RO operates ancient B733s and A318s that are no spring chickens. JU on the other hand is adding second hand A319s which are many things but old they are not.

      Nope, OU received €33 because its management is incompetent and doesn't fly anywhere in winter accumulating losses. Mind you, they got this after selling Pleso prevoz, Heathrow slots... and they still couldn't get their house in order. You can claim all you want but JU and OU are nowhere near to being in the same basket. Air Serbia is a growing carrier which is on track to handle 3 million passengers. OU on the other hand is launching regional destination that don't connect to anything on the way back. See the difference? If I had to place a bet on who will be around in five years, I would still put my money on OU.

      But for you facts don't matter. What matters is to belittle JU even if means elevating a disaster of an airline called Tarom. Such arguments say more about you than anything else.

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    28. Anonymous22:14

      Oh and one final note, since when is plane ownership a prerequisite for profit? JU leases most of its aircraft and they still manage to keep their expenses in check. Same with LO, KL, OS ... OU is mismanaged, that's the point and the reason why they struggle.

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    29. Anonymous22:16

      *I would still not put my money on OU.

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    30. Anonymous22:26

      The comment about Tarom wasn't mine and I don't want to repeat myself on other points, so just one last explanation: ownership of planes is not a prerequisite of profit. You are fully right. But to compare airlines like OU and JU, you cannot use net profit/loss, because it is heavily affected by ownership of planes or lack of that ownership. So tell us what is net profit/loss and how much was spent on amortisation and on leases in each of these airlines. Only then compare efficiency.

      Also when you mention cash injection, tell us how much capital a given airline received from its shareholdes via plane ownership that it holds, ie how much money they saved due to no need to pay for the leases. And compare the total. Cash injection from the shareholder during a certain period of time VERSUS money saving thanks to the shareholder due to having in the past received ownership of planes from that shareholder.

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    31. Anonymous22:43

      Yes, RO is all in gloom and doom - on the brink of bankruptcy.
      JU also started off big in 2013 and then look what happened in 2016-2017.
      It is funny that you allow yourself to belittle other airlines and when the raw facts are said about JU you take it a "belittle".
      When you reach BT levels, fix delay issues, modernise your fleet, lower the rising lost luggage cases and hire Social Media specialists dedicated in responding to the widespread bitter comments and reporting it to the Management, you are more than welcome to come here and give us lectures about the world's best regional airlines. There is still a long, long way to go amigo.

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    32. Anonymous23:12

      I am sorry but I am still not buying it. OU is not struggling because it leases planes, it is struggling because it doesn't know how to use efficiently those planes. Not only were they defeated on the coast but now they don't have anywhere to efficiently use that capacity and ZAG is too small, that's why they are looking at Slovenia now. Forget JU, how many airlines out there are profitable but do not own their planes? Like I already wrote, plane ownership is not an issue, lack of strategy and vision is.

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    33. Anonymous23:17

      Anon 22.43

      Bitter much? Since you are so smart why don't you sell your service to JU. Since you are so smart they will hire you on the spot.
      Yes, RO is on the brink of bankruptcy. According to various Romanian aviation sources, until 2020 summer season they have to pay bills totaling €75 million!Their financial performance is bad enough but now they are going to retire their entire Atr-42 and B733 fleet which they own meaning on top of their losses, we will add more coming from much higher leasing costs. They tried to build a hub system at OTP but they failed. They cut five or six destinations this winter and more are expected to come soon. How many airlines do you know that shrank to profitability? Yeah, not many.

      So you want JU to become more like BT? To have an untested aircraft in its fleet whose engines are unreliable? Or maybe you want JU to have increasing losses like BT does? You take your pick.

      JU doesn't need to reach BT, they are already on track to be better because they have a much better geographical location. In 2020 they will reach 3 million for sure and from there things will get much easier. So Latvians can keep their little airline up in the north flying to all the Nordic villages because JU will swallow them in about five years. ;)

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    34. Anonymous23:56

      Never pretended to be Social Media expert but words speak louder than actions. If you refuse to hear the critics about atrocious experience, it is your own choice.

      Now back to the RO as I see you have collected a bit of data and decided to post it here to "belittle" like you love to say the airline.
      RO never pretended converting OTP into a hub. It is not in its best condition but doesn't mean it's going down the drain. Yet again, we see some positive improvements. Besides, do you think a country 3 times bigger than Serbia will allow its national airline to go bust so easily?
      Let me also remind you that before 2013, JU was in an absolute mediocre state during that period RO used to fly to JFK. You know perfectly well that today's JU is nothing but a sole more successful European Etihad project. Somebody has to survive following the collapse of so many Etihad projects in the continent.

      Ok, so regarding BT. Lets make some very quick comparisons and see who's swallowing who..

      Fleet:
      BT: 37 JU:21

      Avg age: 5 years vs 21 years

      Network:
      BT: 77 destinations in 36 countries
      JU: 57 destinations in 32 countries (being surround by many countries)

      Employees:
      BT: 1410
      JU: 1800

      So with 400 less employees, you still have more destinations, more airplanes and more punctual. Wow, how ironic life can be.

      Lastly and speaking of "German villages" not sure who operates INI-FDH/FKB because the only village I can see out of RIX is HAM.

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    35. Anonymous00:50

      Ah yes, the usual argument when you have no mud left to throw at JU so you claim it was all Etihad. Tell me, if JU's success is all about EY then how come EY itself is falling apart, like all of its global investments? It's time for you to face the music and realize that JU is basically the only EY project that's not collapsing, EY included. I know these facts are difficult for you to digest but after 7 years maybe it's time you start doing it. ;)

      Of course they would. Hungary is larger than Serbia yet their national carrier went under, so did Sabena and Swissair. All airlines that were bigger than JU is today and that come from more influential countries than Serbia. I see no reason why or how Romania could save Tarom, especially not today when they have Wizz Air, Blueair and Ryanair dominating the market.

      Your comparison of JU and BT is cute but it's misplaced since I never said JU is better than BT today but rather that it will become down the road. JU is already growing and consolidating its position like we can see from today's articles. Give JU a few more years and you will see the wonders they will make. By the end you won't even remember the silly little BT up in the northern Baltic plains. ;)

      At the end of the day your point is not to evaluate the situation as is but to put JU down. This is best seen from your obsession to elevate a commercial disaster known as RO and to portray them as someone who is better than JU - which is obviously not the case. And yes, RO tried to build a mini hub in OTP but failed. Look at the TBS, EVN or ODS schedules and you will see what I am talking about amigo.

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    36. Anonymous02:50

      JU haters came out in full force ever since 2013 when Etihad deal was announced. Let's take an honest look at hater's performance: did they stop Air Serbia from growing fleet, network and passengers? No. Did they stop Air Serbia from launching long haul service? Nope. Did they stop Air Serbia from being by far the best airline of EX YU region? Negative. Did Air Serbia go bankrupt? Not at all, it's stronger than ever.

      So haters, your effort produced a big effing ZERO effect on Air Serbia. Your comments are truly worthless.

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    37. Anonymous06:51

      But ... but ... how can you say that? Facebook reviews are so mean, it must mean JU is suffering and shrinking from online bullying. :/

      On a more serious note, those same who complain online will be the first to book JU again if the price is right or the schedule convenient. Like that online review that complained about JU from INI, how he was disappointed about it meanwhile he only mentions he paid €10 for the flight in the comment section after he was called out.

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  12. Anonymous09:32

    Can someone list all the frequency increases and by how much

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    1. Anonymous09:37

      +1

      I also lost track of the increases, should be around 30 now.

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    2. Anonymous09:49

      Routes are added on 14 routes, approximately 30 weekly routes and additional 21 weekly routes on newly launched routes.

      In total around 50 New weekly routes, or a bit more than seven more flights this summer compared to the previous one.

      Amazing! :)

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    3. Anonymous10:24

      That's considerable growth especially if we take into account they had nine new routes last summer. But as far as I can remember they didn't grow frequencies by much on their other routes last year.

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    4. Anonymous10:38

      I think last summer they didn't increase anything but they increased LCA, VCE and LJU in winter in addition to returning to IST. However as their numbers keep on growing they need to make sure the number of seats does as well otherwise they are going to get stuck.

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  13. Anonymous09:35

    In the last week fares were melting down at most carriers and AirSerbia is increasing capacity.

    It's good to have some optimistic players in the market.

    That is the real advantage of having the unconditional support of a government than of having nervous shareholders: it allows you to play the optimistic strategy when the others have to be cautious.

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    1. Anonymous09:40

      What's your source that fares were melting down? Air Serbia might not be profitable but they are cautiously expanding year after year. They are merely responding to market conditions and making sure that those passengers who flew in the past on routes that are no longer available do so via BEG on JU.

      Air Serbia's biggest advantage is that its costs are low and it can serve many airports in the region with the ATR.

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    2. Anonymous14:26

      Air Serbia's biggest advantage is that it gets subventions.
      Its costs are nowhere near the LCC carrier levels and it is way overstaffed for the number of passengers it carries.

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    3. Anonymous15:48

      Can you provide us with a link or an alaysis where we can read how subsidies are their biggest advantage and how come they failed to use it in Budapest, Warsaw, Varna or IST the first time around. I would love to read on all that.

      Otherwise without valid source or arguments it's just rekla kazala

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  14. Anonymous09:37

    I am especially happy about the CDG increase even if it's only for two months. They are not allowing AF to go wild in BEG like they did in LJU and ZAG. Nice to see JU push back and fight. Though with CDG going to 23 weekly, I think this will hurt Wizz in BVA.

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    1. Anonymous10:22

      I've heard AF is doing very well on the BEG route mostly with transfers to North America.

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    2. Anonymous13:40

      This winter about 85% of their flights were on the A320, not A319 which is impressive. I wonder what we might see in summer, hopefully some of their A321s.

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  15. Anonymous09:37

    Growth is good but this is way too much...
    JU has barely twenty planes and wants to be FR. Those massive expansions are dangerous. Last year there were a lot of delays. We saw the reviews on Skytrax and Tripadvisor.

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    1. Anonymous09:41

      We also saw a 27% increase in January. ;) And remind us what was the increase in October, November and December?

      JU is catching up to its competition, they were sleeping for a long time.

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    2. Anonymous09:42

      We saw what happened when there was no growth, no bueno. It's death for an airline like JU.

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    3. Anonymous09:52

      Grow like OU - humble and quiet. No risk of delays like last year.
      In January even I can grow by 25%. Will see in June if you sing the same song..

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    4. Anonymous09:55

      As far as I can remember, OU has had to to wet lease Trade Air planes so it could maintain its schedule and there were a number of cancellations last year because they didn't have enough mechanics to service their planes.

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    5. Anonymous10:00

      The less similarities there are to OU in any regard, the better it will be for JU.

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    6. Anonymous10:02

      "Grow like OU - humble and quiet."

      Grow like OU - not at all and towards bankruptcy.

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    7. Anonymous10:05

      +1

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    8. Anonymous10:08

      I hope JU doesn't grow like OU, their TGD flights don't even connect to anything on the way back. lol

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    9. Anonymous18:49

      Growth like OU?

      Thanks, but no thanks!

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    10. Anonymous20:07

      Main difference between OU and JU is that the latter has a strategy. I mean you saw what OU did in TGD? They introduced flights and most connections don't even work or work in one direction. What was the idea behind all this? What are they expecting? Unless there is so much O&D demand to make these flights viable which is something I very much doubt.

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  16. Anonymous09:45

    Air Serbia is pretty ok, this morning I flew KRR-BEG on YU-APE. Friendly crew, decent prices on the menu, not the most comfortable seats for a night flight but they are ok as there is enough legroom... I was surprised to see that we were around 110 onboard. I asked at the gate how many arrived from BEG and they told me around 90. We were roughly 20 to leave in Belgrade, rest continued their journey to Europe.

    Air Serbia seems to be doing well in these secondary markets so I hope Rostov does well for them.

    p.s. I flew to KRR on TK, full A321 from BEG and maybe 40% on the A319 from IST to KRR.

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    1. Anonymous10:05

      I don't know why but for Caucasian parts of Russia (KRR, MRV, GRV) could be the only international destinations that SAW is doing better than IST.

      I really don't know why, it's a very interesting topic to discuss lol

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    2. Anonymous10:17

      I just checked and Pegasus has 7 weekly to KRR in winter, TK has only 5 on a mix of A319 and B738. I guess it's not a good destination for them. Maybe Russians feel comfortable on JU because of language similarities.

      I fly on SU quite often and it's not uncommon to see SU crew speak Russian to Serbian passengers and they replying to them in Serbian. :D

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    3. Anonymous11:02

      With two crash landings in two months and an evacuation in DUS due to faulty breaks, I can see many in KRR fearing to fly on PC now. This is good news for JU.

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    4. Aэrologic11:13

      Russian and Serbian are much more different than one would like though.

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    5. Anonymous11:25

      Still, they are closer to each other than Russian is to Turkish ;) Or are you the one who is obsessed with TK

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    6. Anonymous11:29

      KUF would be another great untapped destination for JU. TK and SU are the only airlines that offer connections to Europe and beyond from there, but they are crazy expensive. With JU's competitive prices, this route will undoubtedly be successful.

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    7. KUF is too far east, and 'behind' Moskva, meaning that anyone heading west from KUF would very likely fly via one of the Moscow airports. KUF has circa 15 daily flights to Moscow, hard to compete with that.

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    8. Anonymous22:43

      Dont KRR and ROV also have several daily flights to Moscow? How are they competing there?

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    9. Anonymous23:19

      They also have a lot of flights to Istanbul. KRR also had flights to VIE but JU took care of those.

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    10. Point being that traveling from KRR or ROV to Southern or Western Europe via Moscow is back tracking. Traveling via BEG or IST is more direct.

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  17. Anonymous10:29

    Let's hope the bubble doesn't burst.

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    1. Anonymous10:38

      It didn't burst in BT, B2, A3 or LO.

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    2. Anonymous10:49

      But they had the fleet to support such growth. Air Serbia doesen't.

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    3. Anonymous10:59

      Of course JU has the fleet for it. How do you think they are expanding all this? With magic carpets?

      You obviously didn't read the article where it says that planes will be joining the fleet.

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    4. Anonymous11:44

      You obviously don't know what happened with Vueling 4 summers ago. They expanded and expanded and leased aircraft and in July it was a mess. Ok, BCN has experience in transfer but what happens in a small airport like BEG? Will they be able to handle all these new flights and existing ones? Don't think so.
      Delays were not mentioned here but if you circle the media and other sources you will realise that the delays issue was serious. Around 30% is a lot...a lot.
      JU can grow with 2 destunations at a time but not 12 in 1 year. Don't know how EY is allowing this.

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    5. Anonymous11:50

      Circling what media? You mean the BIRN article that was full of mistakes among other things where ZRH told them that JU was far from the worst operator there. Yeah, fantastic source you have there.

      Europe is plagued with delays in general, JU and BEG are no exception:

      https://skift.com/2019/06/28/europe-still-has-a-shocking-number-of-flight-delays/

      Oh and look who is UK's third most delayed airline... Ooops ... must be all those transfers... oh wait...

      https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/15/delayed-airline-revealed-flights-running-31-minutes-late-10313265/

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    6. Anonymous11:50

      FYI Vueling fell apart because they were expanding in several different bases in several different countries. That's hardly the case with JU.

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    7. Anonymous12:39

      "JU can grow with 2 destunations at a time but not 12 in 1 year. Don't know how EY is allowing this."

      Well, they just did it.

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    8. Anonymous12:51

      Not only that but they did it for the second year in a row lol

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    9. Voja13:26

      I fly at least 8-10 times per year with AirSerbia and in last 4 years I experienced only one long delay. I think it was around 90 minutes, and it was caused by bad weather in Amsterdam which was my destination.

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    10. Anonymous14:30

      Vueling failed in over 90% of the Central and Eastern European cities it launched flights from BCN.
      And they retreated quickly.

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  18. Anonymous10:32

    Nice. The additional frequencies have already been added to the system.

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  19. Anonymous10:39

    Bravo Srbija!

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  20. Anonymous10:44

    Without doubt Air Serbia will have at least 3 million passengers this year.

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    1. Anonymous10:48

      Maybe even more if this trend continues. BEG will easily reach 7 million.

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  21. Anonymous10:45

    Could it be that they decided to shift extra frequnecies initially planned for Rome to Milan? I remember a month ago they scheduled extra frequencies to Rome but then they removed that. Now they are adding flights to Milan.

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  22. Anonymous10:45

    Great news. I just hope they can keep up with their schedule.

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  23. Anonymous10:48

    I still find it weird that they are going to be flying to Geneva and that they are going to fly on exactly the same days as Easyjet?!? What's the point?

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    1. Anonymous10:49

      They are obviously trying to chase easyjet off the route. I don't think it will work though and JU will end up shifting its operational days.

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    2. Anonymous11:00

      It's a payback for easyJet launching TXL-BEG.

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  24. Odleteo sam u BCN iz BEG u subotu bila su samo 3 prazna sedišta.

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    1. Anonymous11:01

      Дивно! Ко су углавном били путници? Локалци или трансфери? Лепо је видети да је Барселона тако пуна и ван сезоне и да се Вуелинг очито зезнзнуо.

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    2. Anonymous16:34

      We can see the market is there and without JU it would be unserved in winter.

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    3. Većina oko 60-70% je sa našeg govornog područja, bilo je i 10ak kineza. Rakija koju služe u avionu je odlična, jedva sam izašao iz aviona.

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  25. Anonymous11:05

    Good to see

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  26. Anonymous11:07

    Anyone know what's going on in BEG right now? W6 from DTM, JU A320 from ZRH, JU ATR from PRG, JU 733 from TXL... are all circling over Novi Sad.

    JU from MXP and FCO landed a few minutes ago without a problem.

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    1. Anonymous11:12

      https://www.flightradar24.com/RFF9006/23e40717

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    2. Anonymous11:26

      Russian minister of defense is coming to Belgrade.

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  27. Anonymous11:22

    Would love to see them test a summer charter to Malaga AGP.

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    1. Anonymous20:52

      They dont test destination. Charter goes where touroperator pays for it. Simple as that. Air Serb has nothing to do with charter destinations. I work in big t.agency. problem is that sea is cold for our tourists there. We tried once.

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  28. Anonymous12:52

    BEG will come close to 7 million this year if not more than that. This growth is really solid and a continuation of what we saw last year. Good thing is that JU is also boosting routes that they already serve.

    People are always skeptical towards JU. Remember when they attacked JU after JP went bust saying how they are overly ambitious and how they will fail in Slovenia once LH enters the market? Well, here we are today.

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    1. Evo ne znam šta je sa ovim ljudima, ne valja kad režu rute i smanjuju frekvencije, ne valja kad se šire, pojačavaju i dodaju nove avione. U oba slučaja propašće. Do ljudi je, nije do JU.
      Moj utisak je znaju šta rade

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  29. Anonymous12:55

    Q1 2019 BEG had 1,035,383 passengers, I have a feeling we will have over 1.300.000 this year.

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    1. Aleksandar15:53

      30% growth is unlikely.

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    2. Anonymous15:56

      You never know, it's Belgrade's time to shine as others have been stealing its spotlight for many years now.

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    3. Anonymous18:53

      It will definitely Shone but simply not with 30% growth.

      I think we Can all be super happy if we get 15% growth rate

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    4. Anonymous20:02

      Well if we are to believe what we read on here then in January there was an increase of 16% which is fantastic. Belgrade was sleeping for a while now and the airport is finally waking up, well JU is but still.

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  30. Anonymous18:47

    Excellent job Air Serbia!

    I can imagine how stressful these articles might be for JU haters...

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  31. Anonymous18:50

    Excellent job Air Serbia!

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  32. When does NCE resume? It remains seasonal as far as I know.

    Wondering if JU should give LYS a try. Wizz tried very briefly then gave up. Was it poor LF, yields?

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    1. Anonymous20:20

      Doubt LYS will happen now that they are flying to both GVA and NCE.

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    2. Anonymous20:22

      NCE resumes on the 31st of May.

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    3. Anonymous20:31

      I can't wait.

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    4. A few other potential destinations in the east (former USSR) are:

      ODS - O&D, tourists, transfers
      VOG - mostly transfers
      TBS - mostly transfers
      EVN - mostly transfers
      AER - seasonal, tourists, transfers

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    5. Anonymous20:57

      Could ODS work on the ATR? It's a bit far, further away than KIV which is as long as Prague.

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    6. I think it could work on the ATR. It is only about 80 km longer than Prague. At least until the route matures enough for an A319.

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    7. Anonymous21:41

      Forget about ODS, it now belongs to SkyUp and Ryanair.
      W6 got kicked in zero time and is pulling out this spring.....
      Don't think JU will succeed in Ukraine. It is a special market, with special needs.

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    8. What do you mean by, Ukraine is a special market, with special needs?

      JU seems to be doing ok in KBP, and we shall see how LWO works out.

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    9. Anonymous22:07

      Ukraine has a demand for Germany, Poland and the Baltics as more and more Ukrainians are emigrating there. The rest of the demand is warmer destinations.
      There is fewer traffic with Ukraine and the Balkans. What I was saying is that it unlikely to do KBP-BEG-TXL and that JU does not yet fly to Poland and the Baltics.

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    10. Anonymous22:18

      Dude do you even follow JU's network? Their current flights connect to Balkan destinations, not western or northern Europe. Who do you think Aegean or Turkish Airlines carry as transfers? Kiev is a big city with a big diaspora especially in Greece.

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    11. Anonymous02:16

      Air Serbia carries a lot from Kiev to Tel Aviv and Moscow year-round.

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    12. From Kiev to Moscow via BEG? Really?
      I'd think WAW or MSQ would be more convenient.

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    13. Anonymous05:56

      WAW is roughly the same distance.

      Most go via MSQ and RIX.

      At some point even AF had a promotion to Moscow via Paris.

      Tel Aviv is a very important market from Kiev, i remember a flight in December had 70 pax connecting from Kiev onto night Tel Aviv.

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    14. Anonymous06:53

      The market from Kiev to Moscow is massive so there is room for everyone, Belavia carries most of it but there is room for others as well. It was really nice to see Belavia send the E95 to BEG yesterday though, seems they are doing well here.

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