The Russian Jet looks good in Air Serbia colours :)

Oh no, not this again :/

Just as I thought, government will force JU to use a plane they don't even want.

Is it safe to say that Air Serbia will take these jets only if they are pressured by the GoS as part of a political game?

The 8 SSJ100s would more or less replace ATR fleet.... Or A319 fleet?

Obviously.

Excellent news!! This is the best aircraft that matches the current JU network. Not to mention that the airline's livery on the machine looks stunning!
Сухой has already been in the likes of SU and will definitely fit JU's needs. Hoping to see them operating in BEG. Well done and happy Monday all.

Whyyyyyyyyy?

+1000!!
Thank you for your compliment. Can't wait to see it and ride it.

+1000

As long as the airline needs subsidies to cover its losses politicians can dictate to it whatever terms they want.

Why doesn't JU simply buy the BE leftovers? The airline has like over 50 DHC-8.
But still, a new plane is a new plane. Better have a Russian new jet than a second-hand unreliable Canadian jet that has landing gear issues.

Oh, terrible news. But good thing is that this is only Russian propaganda (so far).

JU succeeded in getting their on-time management right, only think what this plane would do to it.

I hope that reason will prevail and that JU wont fall under Government pressure. JU needs an all Airbus fleet.

Even if you are getting an SSj for free you are paying too much!

JU would need 30 SSJ100s to be sure that 8 are up and running.

LOL, so true!

Not necessarily because they will have a maintenance facility like Aeroflot does.

Who knows what Air Serbia is up to. They have a habit of surprising everyone. I wouldn't be surprised they are planning an LCC subsidiary with these new planes.

These are just Russian's wet dreams.

They know political relations between Serbia and Russia are excelllent so therefore they want to materialize it by pushing SSJ100 sales to JU.

Up to now we had received not a single comment by GoS or JU that they agree about purchase of this aircraft - all the pressure comes from Russians.

And at the end one comfortable piece of information

"As EX-YU Aviation News learns, Air Serbia has shown little interest in the aircraft, which is why talks have been elevated to an inter-governmental level.!"

GoS might give money to its national air carrier (as other ex-YU countries also do) but it surely would not destroy it by purchasing SSJ100 planes.

After all, despite good political relations Russians never allowed customs free import of Fiat cars from Serbia. So political relations are good but it does not mean always that all other economical moves must be done as proposed.

Wouldn't be surprised if SSJs are in Air Serbia fleet by next winter.

Won't it be expensive to train all the crew for Sukhois?

You will ride it same as this one :)
https://twitter.com/christoph_guler/status/878016252685426688

These engines look tiny on SSJ. Esp. if you compare them to f.e. engines on E2 family.

Hope not.

It would most probably be covered by Sukhoi. They are desperate to get a non Russian customer.

Nothing good will come out of this

Trebaju umesto CRJ900 iznamiti SSJ100 ovog leta pa da vide kako ce se pokazati

I truly hope...not

Haha - that's a good one. Exactly 30 planes to ensure the 8 are up and running :)))

Even if they had a facility in BEG, imagine what would happen in outposts where there is nothing close to SSJ maintenance or parts. Or maybe they could block several seats in each plane to carry mechanics with them...

However, SSJ looks terrible on JU. Good thing that is that this is typical Russian propaganda. Don't fall for it.

This plane in ex-yu regularly flies only to ZAG.

Has anyone had any experience flying with SSJ100?

These aircraft would be a disaster for Air Serbia and bankrupt them.

I also agree it is propaganda

How would it bankrupt them exactly?

My guess is no one, yet everyone already has a comment ready to say how terrible these planes are.

This is the cheapest way to renew the fleet

Or they could use them for charter ops.

And how many times was Aeroflot delayed in ZAG or flight cancelled because of mechanical issues? Not a single time.

Yes, same thoughts had few other airlines.... ;)

Pressure from Russian side and there isno single comment neither from Serbian politicians nor from Air Serbia.

The "second-hand unreliable Canadian jet" (while it's not a jet) is still working like a swiss watch compared to the SSJ.

Such negative comments.

Yep but the cheapest way is usually the cheapest for a reason.

It is becoming more obvious that Air Serbia needs to renew and expand their fleet as they keep growing. I just don't like the idea of them using Sukhois.

Jat Tehnika becoming Sukhoi service center is a clear indication these planes are coming to JU.

Bad news for Air Serbia

It is huge difference between having one weekly flight to ZAG and having the fleet of 8 planes flying (hopefully!) everywhere in Europe.

This plane is maybe not so bad to fly in it, but it nightmare for airlines especially for maintenance.

So Air Serbia please do not buy them!!!

Would probably be a nice addition. It might replace 1 or 2 Atrs and 1 A319 too - but you need to be prepared 50% of them will be AOG most of the time so the net fleet addition will still be minimal. It still could be worth for JU if they get VERY favorable leasing conditions from the Russians.

All I hear is Russia talking about this, nobody else.

We all know this is not going to happen.

I would say it is more bait.

Let's be honest here and say that actually SSJ100 has at this moment only tiny chance to sell their planes to JU and therefore they offered to Jat Tehnika to become Sukhoi service center. On that way they try to convince JU that they will always have spare parts avaliable and that JU has nothing to worry about.

From the other side if they start sellling their planes in Europe they would surely need service center out of Russia. So why not Belgrade?

I think opening Sukhoi service center in Jat tehncika is surely not "clear indicator" of anything. Just an attempt.

With good reasons

Every airline that bought this lemon had maintenance facilities and trained technicians to service it.
BUT is is so unreliable and its various parts suppliers so slow to producing parts and sending them to affected customers that every airline, including Aeroflot suffers greatly.
And no amount of Russian bot propaganda can change that!

Hopefully not. What they need are smaller regional planes.

Same plot as with Adria

+1

Except that JU has government for regular life support and doesn't need Sukhoi to invest in the airline.

There is no chance SSJ100 to enter JU fleet despite good political relations between Serbia and Russia.

Russian government doesn't seem to agree.

It would be crazy to add fourth aircraft type to the JU fleet.

This plane has been rejected by many airlines and the problem with spare parts is tremendous.

Actually yes.. well tried to at least. In 2017, I was in Brussels for business and had to go see a supplier in Stockholm before returning to Belgrade. Was really excited when I saw the Brussels Airlines option to Skavsta on Google Flights, that was operated by the SSJ as I wanted to add it to my bucket list.

Anyway we boarded on time, uneventful, pretty new plane, as we were being pushed back the aircraft was returned to the stand. AOG. We deboarded and the flight was cancelled and we were moved to an A320 to Arlanda a few hours later instead. Never found out what went wrong but the plane was still there when we taxied for take-off to Arlanda afterwards.

I wonder if the comments would be the same had they announced talks to buy Boeing 737 MAX planes.

Dejan +1

The cheapest option often turns out to be the most expensive. Ever heard the phrase "penny wise and pound foolish"?

Serbia has excellent ties with Russia and Im sure that the deal is offering much better conditions than the one with the producers from the West.

If Im not mistaken, Suhoi have last year taken on to improving the issue with spare parts availability.

Russian airline Azimut has a fleet of 11 SSJ's and they seem to be doing fine.

But Air Serbia has been created at the time Vucic took over the control in this country and he would not allow JU to be pushed in this highly risky adventure buying SSJ100 planes.

These must be the ex Cityjet frames currently rusting away somewhere, following the failed Adria deal. Even if Air Serbia are being paid to operate these planes, it is a bad deal. The SSJ is unreliable and old technology, and ultimately it will be the Air Serbia staff that have to live with the consequences of a reckless management team/government decision. They should do everything possible to prevent this from happening. Literally every SSJ operator either wants to get rid of them, become bankrupt or is forced to fly them to preserve national pride.

Well, they don't announce something like that.

And the comments would surely not be the same if they announced to buy Airbus A220 or CRJ900

No matter what is the deal as the plane is the same - SSJ100

+100

You're kidding, right? The government literally devised a whole operating base for Air Serbia just so they could funnel in more cash.

Boinzi ubrzo odlaze u istoriju

Better 35 years old B733 than new SSJ100

Of course comments would be negative. No matter what JU does it's somehow bad. It all started with the EY purchase and continued with the choice of name. Remember how people claimed Air Serbia is a bad name because it's not international enough? For some on here no matter what JU does it's never good enough. Just pure and chronic bitchiness no matter what. Funny thing is that most of the times they were proven wrong.

It is very interesting about SSJ100... This is the worst airplane on planet, and majority of them are in Aeroflot, and Aeroflot last year is first place as the most accurate flight schedule (the least late or canceling flights). Something is not OK in this equation...

Bilo je teksta o ovom Ruskom avionu ranije na ovom blogu.
Verovao sam da je sa SSJ100 avionom zavrsena prica.
Ali evo je ponovo. U Ruske putnicke avione i automobile do sada proizvedenih ne verujem. Ako budu u floti AirSerbia, jedno je sigurno. Volecu samo insigniju, boju i zastavu Srbije. Za ostalo neka je Bog u pomoci. Nemoguce je uporediti sa Boingom i Erbasom. U buducnosti je moguce da ce nove generacije Ruske putnicke avijacije biti kontabitilne sa Americkim oi Evropskim proizvodjacima.
Ostaje da se voli Er Srbija. Jer drugu Otadzbina Srbija nema. Ali Ruski putnicki avioni... "uzmi babu za nevestu kad' devojke nema"... Verovatno moj komentar nije pohvalan. Ipak Er Srbija zasluzuje vise za buduci razvoj.
Vlasnik odlucuje. Videcemo...
Rodney Marinkovic and Aviation Enthusiast Associate Group. 🛫🇷🇸

Air Serbia will not see this fqtv if that is the case. ATR is OMG, but SSJ is NO FLY.

Happy Taxpayer,

please read this https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/cirium-names-aeroflot-as-2019s-most-on-time-mainline-airline/135981.article

btw, not russian source...

Good news for Serbia and Air Serbia

This is just a pathetic way of comparing airlines' name with new airplane that would, hopefuly not, join the fleet.

All of those attacking JU at that time were ex Jat employees who did not make it in Air Serbia. Big majority of comments from Serbia supported Air Serbia idea.

Now you are the only one trying to justify (from your own reasons) purchase of SSJ100 planes for Air Serbia despite many of the airlines were not happy with that plane.

Try with British Airways, Air France, Lufthansa, KLM, Iberia, LOT, Aegean.

Not successful? I wonder why.

I agree

Also some not Russian sources...

https://aviationvoice.com/sukhoi-superjet-100-gloomy-future-in-europe-201902191447/

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/05/13/a-national-disappointment-what-went-wrong-with-the-sukhoi-superjet-100-a65553

https://aviationanalyst.co.uk/2018/11/30/the-european-airline-making-a-huge-russian-mistake/

Are these the same CityJet SSJs that a certain Nemjee kept telling us that CityJet are very happy with? And yet provided no proof they were happy except that the contracts were not cancelled 'at the time of writing.'

I guess those 'free' MiGs weren't so free after all :/

Aeroflot is sitting on a huge pile of SSJ spare engines, parts etc. built especially for them. They are only showcase left for SSJ and everybody puts tremendous amount of effort to keep this sustainable. They are also subsidizing every single plane for Aeroflot.

Additionally, few interesting facts:
Last order pushed for Aeroflot was stopped by Russian leasing company who didn't want to finalize project until they got guarantees from Sukhoi that they will take back planes after leasing agreement. Even Russians don't believe that there is any market value in this iteration of SSJ100.
New "russified" version of SSJ100 is on significant delay because they have issues with various components. Latest info was is that certification of new Russian PD14 engine is somehow faulty and they need to reengage into this process with EASA.

Belarus has no SSJ100 and they also donated some MIG 29's to Serbia.

Not related.

Everyone is talking about the SSJ100 but what about the new Irkut MS-21. Wouldn‘t that be a good fit for JU?

AEROFLOT

"Government incentives are the only reason Russian airlines purchase the Superjet. But even this support doesn’t make the plane that attractive: foreign analogues get twice as much flight time. Aeroflot has the largest Superjet fleet, with 50 planes.

“Who, if not us, will learn to fly it?” Aeroflot CEO Vitaly Savelyev told the TASS news agency.

“Yes, it entails certain expenses and headache. If Aeroflot were a private business, perhaps the shareholders wouldn’t want to do it. But we understand the situation and believe that the SSJ100 will fly,” he said."

BRUSSELS AIRLINES


"Earlier this year, the Belgian airline was forced to cancel over 90 flights operated by the Russian Superjet, over just a 22 day period. A source at the airline said “technical problems occur very frequently. To make matters worse, there are little airports with engineers who are qualified to work on the SSJ100. It’s simply unreliable, and we are not able to continue like this”.

Current versions of MC21 are bigger than SSJ100, so they would not fit (its 132-165 seats for smaller one I think). Also, this plane is still not in service, latest prediction are for 2021 (with P&W engines, there should be also version with Russian PD14, but EIS for this version is even further).

Well their official did say that back then they were happy with dispatch reliability. I even included a link with the statement so I don't know what you are going on about. You are more than welcome to go back and check it once again.

Like for the JU network, Sukhoi is really the perfect jet.
Lets compare it with other jets within the same category.

SSJ price per unit:

35,4–36,2 млн $ (SSJ 100–95) (в каталожных ценах на 2012 год

E2 price per unit:

E175-E2: US$46.8 million (2013) E190-E2: US$53.6 million (2013) E195-E2: US$60.4 million (2013)

A220 cost

US$ 81 m

A220 is a much more expensive, Western jet.

Thanks, but no thanks

It will look nice while parked in BEG waiting for spare parts.

Malo ću na našem jeziku. Dakle na poslednjem međuvladinom komitetu u Kazanju, prošle nedelje, nije ni bilo razgovora oko SSJ 100, na konferenciji rus je počeo da priča kako je Srbija zainteresovana što nema veze sa istinom. Jesu više puta potencirali prodaju nama tih aviona, ali ništa više od toga. Nije mi poznato da li se "na višem nivou" šta razgovaralo o tome. Dobro znamo kakvi su to avioni, iz članaka i analiza na internetu, što mi je posebno zanimljivo ni jednom na unutrašnjim letovima unutar RF nije leteo SSJ100, a tih letova sam imao mnogo. Tako da ću prvom prilikom pitati ako se pokrene ta tema zašto Aeroflot nema veću flotu i ne koristi u većoj meri te avione. Dodajmo tome da se i Etihad pita oko nabavke novih aviona. Ja sam lično ni za ni protiv SSJ. Ne sviđa mi se njihova servisna podrška a sa druge strane nam treba obnova flote. Ne bi bilo zgodno da se takvim aranžmanom našteti nacionalnom prevozniku, oni nisu zainteresovani za taj avion, uzimajući u obzir ranija iskustva drugih avio prevoznika, to je ono što znam. Ovo pitanje se mora rešiti u narednom vrlo kratkom periodu.

LCC with SSJ. That will work, yes.

O'Leary has already ordered 500 of them.

No to Superjet in Air Serbia. Big NO!

So why is nobody (outside of Russia) buying SSJ?

Oleg, you, again? :)
How is project in Slovenia developing?

+1000

Bas tako i izgleda cela situacija.

Rusi se nadaju da cemo da kupimo ali nema od toga nista

Are SSJs even safe to fly?

Last Anon why are you hiding?

I'm fine btw

Not flying with SSJ. No way

Anon at 13:17
Ha ha true dat!

All hail Vucko!

Yes, if they take off. It is not a safety issue, it is a parts issue. Airlines will cancel the flight, not crash it.

JU doesnt need Dash 8's.

JU needs a DC9 alternative.

I agree. They should test the SSJ reliability this summer to see how it performs for them compared to the CR9, for which they already, for 2 seasons, have the numbers to compare with.

I wouldnt call it fleet renewal per se. Bulk of the fleet is A319. JU could do with a couple regional jets to:

- relieve the ATR's of longer flights, allowing further boost to the regional network.
- better serve destinations where the A319 is too large and not adequately served with the ATR.
- Free up A319's for further expansion.
- Open new destinations to compliment their network.

It is a cheaper alternative for a few years until sufficient cash becomes available for proper investment into their fleet.

What JU first needs to do is email 4O and let them have their say on the expertise.
4O already has a rich experience with the Sukhoi and has been the backbone of their fleet especially in the domestic flights operated in Mexico.
It is interesting to know that both Yamal and Rossiya have firm orders and Yamal already using them. it will most likely become the world´s third largest Sukhoi operator.

«Авиационная транспортная компания «Ямал»
They have 15 SSJ long range!

Сухой RRJ-95LR-100
Количество : 15

Эксплуатант : АО "АТК "Ямал"

Характеристики:
Дальность с максимальной коммерческой нагрузкой : 4578
Максимальная высота полета : 12200
Крейсерская скорость : 830
Размах/Длина/Высота : 27,80
Максимальная взлетная масса : 49540
Максимальная посадочная масса : 41000

830km/h for a regional plane is quite something.

There will be no SSJs in Air Serbia. Period.

You first

You bet.

"it will most likely become the world´s third largest Sukhoi operator."

You mean, it will become world's third Sukhoi operator? :)

And Interjet (4O) had such a great experience. Out of 22 SSJ in total, 18 are stored, ie. not in use. Out of 4 left, 2 are flying, 2 are not flying.
Wow, that's really great reference.

I imagine that the russians are offering these airplanes for an extremely good price. So that in the end it would make sense to take them. This could be seen as a investment in the brand Sukhoi... if AS really benefits from this deal then why not. But only if they have improved their maintenance and availability of spare parts

4O still uses its airplanes. There were 3 under maintenance but this is quite normal for the industry. There are rumours for an additional 12 new jets.

18 out of 22 are stored. Not in use anymore.
They are not buying any more SSJs. That is same rumor like that one about Norwegian buying 40 SSJ. False ones.

SSJ100 are exellent jets - they are made before their time like it was Lockheed Tristar.

No canadian jet can match SSJ100 - CRJs are a crap & CS100/300 are very expensive.Someone mention DHC-8 :) come on ....

Maintenance and availability of spare parts is improving rapidly and to have a home maintenance base for SSJs is a Jocker.Big advantage of SSJs over comparable western jets is ofcourse their price,while its performance are also much better from CRJ9s or CRJX.Overall it is a very good modern aircraft.

Biggest issue is not resolved after 9 years and it will never be resolved.
Maintenance is improved because they have only 2 real customers at the moment for which they built huge pile of spare parts. There is no functional support & maintenance system, there are some ad hoc solutions to keep project alive at any cost.

No remotely serious airline will invest in completely new type, manufacturer etc. for few years.

Yes, made before their time....even before spare parts :)
Back to the future :)

Doubt any airline will see any growth this year. Qantas just announced indefinitely parking a quarter of their fleet including 10 out of 12 of their A380s.

That‘s exactly what I mean. With AS as a customer this would mean a lot for their brand... they could show other airlines that they have solved all the issues from the past. They need urgently a better image before MC-21 is coming. S100 to AS would just be a marketing campaign for Sukhoi..even they give it to AS for 50% less

Even if they give it FOC it would be too expensive

How long you will continue to post this nonsense about spares-
just pay and you will get any almost immediate

They cant show anything, because they really didn't resolved anything.
Again, in its current form it's a dead project, they are trying to buy time.

With the amount of airlines around the world that are going to go bankrupt because of the huge cash flow problems from the corona-virus, any financially sustainable airline would be wise to wait on the sidelines and pick up aircraft at substantially reduced prices over the coming months. FlyBe just the first of many. Norwegian likely next - their slots at Gatwick are already being picked over by other airlines.

Next government will be even less likely to make a deal with SSJ than the current one. There is 0 chance for SSJ in Air Serbia.

Although more expensive i would rather they leased a220's.

SSJ is best option for Air Serbia.

Actually the SSJ is a pretty decent plane, the problem is the aftermarket service. But after the attempts of western airlines ended bitterly, it`s super hard to gain confidence in the plane. I doubt JU is going chose SSJ.