Lufthansa will not be resuming flights between Frankfurt and Zagreb, as well as Munich and Ljubljana, this upcoming winter season based on its preliminary winter schedule. The cancellation of the flights delays the prospect of a service resumption until late March 2021 at the earliest. The German carrier ran double daily services between Frankfurt and the Croatian capital and a daily rotation between Munich and Ljubljana. The airline will maintain operations from the Bavarian capital to Zagreb and from Frankfurt to Ljubljana over the winter, with each running twelve and fourteen weekly respectively. Flights from Munich to Zagreb will increase to double daily over the Christmas and New Year period.
Lufthansa suspended operations on the abovementioned routes when the coronavirus pandemic was declared in March. Since then, Croatia Airlines has increased its operations to Frankfurt, which are codeshared by the German carrier. On the other hand, there will be no flights from Ljubljana to Munich until at least next summer season. Germany is one of Croatia’s biggest markets, both in the summer and winter months. Last year, 328.534 passengers flew between Zagreb and Frankfurt with Lufthansa and Croatia Airlines. On the other hand, Ljubljana - Munich is the Slovenian capital’s seventh busiest route. During its last full year of operations in 2018, Adria Airways carried 78.000 travellers between the two cities, of which 80% were transfers.
The German carrier will continue to maintain the remainder of its network to the former Yugoslavia, albeit with fewer frequencies. The carrier will resume operations between Munich and Sarajevo in late October with six weekly flights planned, increasing to seven over the holiday season. Furthermore, the airline will continue to run services from both Frankfurt and Munich to Belgrade with each to operate ten and seven times per week respectively, with both increasing to double daily over the peak winter travel period. The head of the International Air Transport Association (IATA), Alexandre de Juniac, has warned of a “hard winter” ahead due to the ongoing pandemic. “There is a pent-up demand for summer vacation trips. As soon as this bubble bursts, we will face a hard winter”, Mr de Juniac said.
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ReplyDeleteOn the other hand OU has increased the frequencies and now runs 4 daily flights to FRA from ZAG. In the winter that is going to be more than sufficient.
DeleteIs OU keeping the extra frequencies in winter?
DeleteWho would have thought 6 months ago it is possible for Zagreb to lose Frankfurt service?
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DeleteZagreb didn't lose Frankfurt service. Croatia Airlines operated it even during the lockdown, and continues to operate it twice daily. Zagreb didn't even lose Emirates service to Dubai, as they announced continuation of the service after covid crisis next summer, but hey, it is always convenient to write about ZAG losing services even if it is not true. I mean nobody can't deny ZAG indeed lost lot of services lately, but writing to lose services which has always existed and still exist is simply mean
DeleteWho would have thought 6 months ago it is possible for Zagreb to lose LH Frankfurt service?
DeleteToday's topic is on LH service to the region so he obviously referred to that loss from FRA.
DeleteZAG and LJU will be quiet this winter but so will the rest of ex-Yu capitals too. The entire ex-Yu market still remains relatively small. Good examples are SKP and SJJ.
DeleteLH even flies to BEG 2 weekly from FRA down from 2 daily.
Of course but don't forget that BEG is the only ex-YU destination from where LH faces direct competition. JU has a much better schedule so they make their life much more difficult.
Delete@Pozdrav iz Rijeka
DeleteI am the OP and I am shocked the way you attacked me. I literally had ZERO intention of "attacking Zagreb", my comment was sincere and not hateful. Please next time restrain from hate speech and think twice before posting.
Lufthansa flies 3 pw FRA-BEG (1-3-5--)
Delete@10.18 surely you didnt want to provoke ... your posting has been indeed not true and my initial reaction to it was the same as Rijeka. and im not even from HR
Delete@Last anon:
DeleteI surely was talking about LH not flying the route, as my comment was related to the article where the above-mentioned was stated. Everyone else seems to get my point, but a few people.
Everyone knew what you were talking about, no need to stress over a few triggered people.
DeleteKucko said it himself that these flights were not profitable even before Corona, I can only imagine now.
ReplyDeleteWhen did Kucko (who left as CEO in 2017) say that?
DeleteIt was published on here in one of his interviews.
DeleteHe said that flights are generally not profitable throughout the network during winter time. He did not say that Frankfurt and Munich are unprofitable routes.
DeleteHe did not say they were generally not profitable, he said ALL flights are unprofitable in winter.
DeleteAF-KL has upped their game in ZAG/LJU area over the last couple of years. That can only mean that there might be overcapacity from ZAG to Star Alliance hubs. I remember there was an article on here how AF is resuming ZAG rather aggressively.
DeleteAF was planning to grow their frequencies to ZAG and LJU significantly this summer before corona hit.
DeleteI wonder if LH will rebook passengers on LJU-MUC to the MUC line from Zagreb and the ZAG-FRA passengers to the FRA line from Ljubljana.
ReplyDeleteI would assume that's why they strategically cancelled these flights this way.
DeleteAs far as I remember he said that all routes out of the season bring nothing but loss
DeleteThat's not a secrete. You can see in OU's financial reports that money is only made in the third quarter. I doubt it's much different for YM and JU.
DeleteHow many flights will Croatia Airlines have to Frankfurt during the winter?
ReplyDeletethe aviation industry is so unstable at the moment, no one can tell you with certainty how many frequencies there will be next week let alone in November.
Delete"Last year, 328.534 passengers flew between Zagreb and Frankfurt"
ReplyDeletewow that's huge. Is this the no. 1 route from ZAG?
I believe so. And Dubrovnik is second and Munich is close third.
DeleteYes but numbers are not growing, there is a slight drop from what I remember. Probably from more competition from AF and KL
DeleteEven more interesting to me is that 80% of LJU passengers are transfers on the Munich route.
DeleteI don't know what is the source of that data but this is simply not true. 80% conx pax continued journey with LH and if we count also those conx pax from Balkan destination to MUC than there was not a single passenger travelling p2p LJU-MUC...Yeah right. Someone did not make his job correctly with analyzing the data or the source is completely incorrect.
DeleteI don't think you guys understood it correctly. 80% of passengers were transfers on the Adria flight. That means 20% were P2P.
DeleteThey have corrected text now. You are welcome moderator :)
DeleteThat is a huge number of pax from ZAG to FRA. Can't believe LH gave up on it.
DeleteGood to see at least they will finally resume Sarajevo. I was fearing it wouldn't happen.
ReplyDeleteThank goodness. It is one of the few airlines at Sarajevo that offers real connectivity to the world.
DeleteYikes what happened to the tail on the plane in the pic?
ReplyDeleteCorona, that's why it's wearing a mask.
DeleteLooks as if it was struck.
DeleteSymbolic for the company at the moment.
DeleteA component of the tail is taken out ..,
DeleteWill get a new one .
Thanks
DeleteThis is great news for Croatia Airlines.
ReplyDeleteIs it?
DeleteFlying your own metal with low LF in order you could feed LH network with low yield transfer price?
I don't think so.
Yes it is. There will be enough pax for OU flights, but not for both, OU and LH. Or you think there i no pax between ZAG and FRA at all?
DeleteIn the time of pandemic there are no P2P passengers for 3 daily ZAG-FRA flights. That's for sure.
DeleteBig majority of them are transfer pax and OU needs to bring them to FRA in order Mutti could fly them further.
Don't forget that LH can't carry transfers to the US and EU tourists are banned, only those having a Green Card or are considered as essential can enter the country. Only two European airlines that can carry them are JU and LX... ok and TK if you count them.
DeleteLX belongs to Schengen area so I am not sure about them.
DeleteYou are right about US but t is not the only market they cover with transfers...You have there S.America, whole Asia, Africa, Middle East...
I think Lufthansa won't resume Frankfurt-Zagreb. They will simply hand it over to Croatia Airlines. Remember that they left Adria to fly the FRA and MUC routes while it was still with us.
ReplyDeletethey will be back.
DeletePeople were saying yesterday how MUC wont be back...as you can see it clearly says “until next summer season”, which means it will return next year
ReplyDeletethere are many airlines which clearly said that they will resume flights in Jun, July, August etc and where are they?
DeleteTrue LJU announced that the Munich route would be back this September but here we are.
DeleteNot only MUC, same with MAD, BRU, KBP, ZRH, LON...
Delete@anon 09:29
DeleteObviously they are not here...look at the situation across the world, it’s getting worse and worse...who will travel if almost everywhere you go you need a 14 day quarantine...because of that routes simply dont make sense!!
@anon 09:29 routes simply dont make sense if almost everywhere you travel you need a 14 day quarantine, and if quarantine isn’t needed, there is a fear of getting infected because the situation is getting worse across the world, therefore there is very little tourists and the routes simply no sense right now!
DeletePlease before you repeat yourself in every topic check what is happening on other airports. Many of them are in worse destination with red list but this does not prevent them to operate.
DeleteSo much for the LH Group in LJU and all the love and affection they got from some celebrating Adria's bankruptcy on here. I don't think we will see Brussels Airlines or Swiss come back either.
ReplyDeleteThat's what happens when you count on the LH group as your saviour.
DeleteNot good.
ReplyDeleteHow many flights will Lufthansa have during the winter to ZAG and LJU?
ReplyDeleteIt says in the article.
Delete"The airline will maintain operations from the Bavarian capital to Zagreb and from Frankfurt to Ljubljana over the winter, with each running twelve and fourteen weekly respectively. Flights from Munich to Zagreb will increase to double daily over the Christmas and New Year period."
DeleteOops I was reading too fast and missed it. Thanks.
Delete“There is a pent-up demand for summer vacation trips. As soon as this bubble bursts, we will face a hard winter”, Mr de Juniac said.
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately I tend to agree.
everywhre
DeleteIt's already happening. Global seat capacity has been going down for three weeks straight.
DeleteThat's not good.
DeleteDamn corona
ReplyDeleteI hope these do actually resume next year.
ReplyDeleteIt's uncertain. We will see.
DeleteBravo LJU! Bravo Slovenia! Bravo Skobir/Krašnja and Co. Zagreb still has FRA service basicly nothing changed! LJU zadnje selo na Balkanu!
ReplyDelete+1000
DeleteWhat is the winter schedule for the wider region in comparison? Like BEG, SOF, OTP? LH has reduced across the board it is not only LJU and ZAG
ReplyDeleteYou have BEG and SJJ frequencies for winter in the last paragraph.
DeleteFRA-OTP 14x weekly
DeleteMUC-OTP 14x weekly
FRA-SOF 14x weekly
MUC-SOF 14x weekly
FRA-TIA 5x weekly
Is it only LH or combined with other carriers?
DeleteOnly LH of course
DeleteLufthansa obviously lost its dominance in Belgrade to AF-KLM, which codeshare with Air Serbia .
DeleteTen years ago Lufti was king there .
Do you think about LH mainline or LH group? Because LH group is still the most dominant airline groupation in BEG and at the most of regional airports.
DeleteSlovenia, the forgotten land.
DeletePeople, it's time to wake up and smell the roses. Nobody cares about us. If we don't do something ourselves, nobody will do it for us. Get that damn national carrier off the ground ASAP.
Agree with last comment. The only way to secure timely and regular flights is through a national carrier.
DeleteI wouldn't say LH has lost in BEG to AF-KL, they did increase MUC to triple daily a while ago. They also boosted capacity on the route, what's good is that they are fighting for the market with others which is good.
DeleteAnon 13:17 and 13:28: Flights from/to LJU with new national carrier for whom? Chaos with tourist passengers due to unpredicted changing of travel restrictions for different countries, no business passengers, conferences cancelled for another year, almost no planned on-site Brussels meeting... Current flights are scheduled according to demand. So, Slovenia desperately need national carrier to fly empty planes just for sake of connectivity?
Delete@anon 12:39
Deleteit's hard to stay king when you behave low costly
"The only way to secure timely and regular flights is through a national carrier."
DeleteLast two summers with Adria were a great examples of that.
@anon 18:58
Deletei don't remember that Slovenia had national carrier last few years. I know for Adria Airways which was owned by Germans and that's why priorities was elsewhere..
This sucks. :/
ReplyDeleteNew photo. This one reduced the need to take connecting LH flights from ZAG and LJU:
ReplyDeletehttps://www.airliners.net/photo/JAT-Yugoslav-Airlines/McDonnell-Douglas-DC-10-30/6127811/L
In the end Fraport was right. The government will have to give subsidies if it wants to keep airlines flying to Ljubljana over winter.
ReplyDeleteits much cheaper to establish national carrier..
DeleteThis is getting ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteBecause of the amount of cancellations.
DeleteIf people were more responsible and faithful to LH then we would not be in this mess in the first place.
ReplyDeletehow do you mean faithful?
Deletehahahhahahahhahahhaha well some do see mama lufty as the big Savior, hence the faithfulness
Deletenow we have weather gods, jetbridge jesus and mama lufty the big savior
when we add some sort of a bible, religion can practically be registered
now let's pray for those in charge to be responsible to all their (remaining) subjects
Expected for LJU even without Covid.
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