Air Serbia will lease a second Airbus A330 aircraft and launch at least two new long haul destinations, one in North America and another in Asia. Serbia’s President, Aleksandar Vuฤiฤ, confirmed the airline is in advanced stages of planning the new routes. The comments came following talks between Mr Vuฤiฤ and his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, in Beijing. “After almost five years of hard work, the service to New York is finally profitable. Now we want to increase frequencies on that route and introduce another destination in North America, either Toronto or Chicago. Due diligence is being carried out and a business plan is being drafted, so we can gauge interest”.
Commenting on services to Asia, Mr Vuฤiฤ said, “We are initially planning one route to China, which would increase to two. We are talking about Belgrade - Shanghai and Belgrade - Beijing. I believe we can be successful in this pursuit. Of course, we are seeking certain discounts and incentives from the Chinese side, in terms of airport fees and taxes. If all this is achieved, we are getting another A330 and launching these routes this year. Mr Xi is supportive of our plans and has already taken it up with his advisors. We believe that flights to China will become profitable earlier than was the case with New York. These services will further improve business ties between the two countries and bring more Chinese tourists to Serbia. We are the only country in the region whose airline offers nonstop flights to New York. After five years it became profitable, and this is a big achievement for a small airline such as Air Serbia”.
As previously reported, during the pre-pandemic 2019, China (excluding Hong Kong) was the largest long haul market from Serbia based on OAG data, just outperforming the United States, which was followed by Canada. Shanghai and Beijing were Belgrade Airport’s two busiest unserved routes in 2019. That year, a total of 62.526 passengers flew indirectly between Serbia’s capital and China’s largest city, while a further 52.289 travelled indirectly between Belgrade and Beijing on a single itinerary. Despite the coronavirus pandemic, Shanghai was still Belgrade Airport’s busiest unserved destination in 2020, while Beijing came fourth, falling behind Toronto and Chicago. There is also believed to be notable cargo demand between the two countries.
And people were complaining there would not be long haul expansion :D
ReplyDeleteI mean guys, what is this? I really don't understand purpose of such statements. There is no dates, nothing is official. They spoke about additional A330 even for this year. Other airlines would just give you the starting date.
Delete^how many times are you going to post the same comment?
DeleteUntil there is a launch date announced. Not election date, haha.
Deletewow nice!
ReplyDeleteI'm guessing it wouldn't make much sense to start China before it open up. Apparently it's going to happen in September. Maybe flights could begin for winter season?
ReplyDeleteSo the big European expansion will lead up to long haul expansion as expected.
ReplyDeleteExciting times. Which would work better? Chicago or Toronto?
ReplyDeleteProbably Toronto
DeleteIsn't YYZ extremely expensive to fly to?
DeleteThe air deal between Serbia and Canada was negotiated for a reason so it would make sense that it is Toronto.
DeleteI am sure it will be Toronto
DeleteThe Balkan Diaspora is huge in Chicago and Toronto. If Air Serbia's prices are 10-20% less than AF, KLM, Lufthansa etc. then it can work.
DeleteBig Albanian and Bulgarian diaspora too, not to mention Greek.
DeleteAlbanians proved to be the most loyal customers on BEG-JFK route so YYZ would probably be the same.
DeleteAlso there are no nonstop flights from Sofia or Bucharest to Toronto.
Don't forget that YYZ is also some 45 minutes shorter than ORD so it will make it easier to fit into the network.
Delete@Anon 9.24
DeleteWhy would the prices need to be lower than the competition? I'm sure people would be more than happy to pay the same or even a a bit more for a nonstop flights.
There is at least 300,000 ex-yugos living in greater Toronto and Chicago.
DeleteI agree with paying more for nonstop. I fly the JFK-BEG route and it is generally more expensive that going through SVO or IST with a layover. The ability to board one flight and get to your destination and save many hours in layover airports has its value. Just ask yourself, “What is my time worth” and you can make the determination of whether the extra money is worth it. Also you get 2 suitcases on the JU500/JU501 flights while other airlines only give you 1.
DeleteI think TK gives you 2 as well but I agree with what you wrote.
DeleteYYZ is cheaper thar JFK but still high up there. Landing fee is 17$ CAD per tonne of aircraft's MTOW, so for an A330 of 242 t it would be approx. $4,100 CAD per flight. One cheaper J class ticket would cover all of that :-)
DeleteIt should be Chicago: historic diaspora community + more recent wave. Plus, these comparisons of Chicago and Toronto miss a larger point. Midwest US is where so many ex-Yugo people live not just in the city of Chicago itself, but within 3 hour drive. They all fly out of different regional airports and then connect with United, Lufthansa, Swiss, etc. in a variety of different cities. But many would drive to Chicago for direct and cheaper options.
Delete"we are seeking certain discounts and incentives from the Chinese side, in terms of airport fees and taxes" Seriuosly?
ReplyDeleteWhy not?
DeleteI also don't see an issue in this. In fact, it is smart.
DeleteSeems like the president's pet project haha
ReplyDeleteOr yet another trick of his before the elections, all deja vu.
DeleteYes, because local population really cares if Air Serbia is flying to some destination.
Delete@09,49
DeleteWith soo much negative press revolving around the government and increasing protests, any piece of good news is good for them. They need something to brag about for their election campaign.
They don't need a specific issue to brag about, they will just make something up and brag about that.
DeleteWhole of Serbia knows how many Chinese used to come for holidays and how much we earned from them. They will know what direct flights will mean for this industry and the country in general.
DeleteIt's still the government saying it, I'll hold my breath untill YU livery is on another 330.
ReplyDeleteAnother long haul won't make profit quickly and in the middle of the (hopefully) ending of the pandemic they don't need another cash burden.
Ironically, New York started making a profit during the height of the pandemic.
Delete@09,12
DeleteJFK performed better as alot of travel via EU hubs was not possible. However, winter frequencies haven't increased, which I think is important for further expansion. It's surprising that after 5 years they are still operating 2 pw in the winter to JFK.
I'm just being cautious, they are getting rid of Etihad era planes. Getting newer ones, hopefully at better prices.
DeleteUnless government will give the money for the first few years of lease this might just slow down excellent natural growth YU has been working on during the pandemic.
I'm all for long haul, get a A350 and fly me to Sydney. But don't bite of more then you can chew.
Now is the time when Air Serbia should give long haul a go. OU is stagnating, there are tens of thousands of Balkaners itching to come 'home' for a visit, and lease rates are relatively favourable. Combine this with a very decent Euro-Med network, and an excellent Balkan network. However frequencies should be improved in the Balkans, and a few new destinations added.
DeleteBTW, it is JU, not YU.
I do agree with you on most points, especially the lease rates on wide-bodies.
DeleteBut those planes need to work year-round to make money.
And I'm not sure if JU can keep it up.
P.S. Thx, been prepping for the new JAT book and reading something about Sarajevo Olympics and didn't even notice what I was typing.
I don't think OU was ever Air Serbia's competition. When it comes to long-haul JU needs to follow what OS, LO, TK ... are doing as they are fighting them for transfer passengers.
DeleteAre they crazy?
ReplyDeleteWhy?
DeleteAny long-haul expansion should be followed with the strengthening of the regional network.
ReplyDelete+1
DeleteSo JFK would go daily in summer?
ReplyDeleteAt least 6 weekly.
DeleteThen what does that leave on the time table for the second plane?
DeleteCould they squeeze in both Canada and China into that schedule?
It's refreshing to see so much good news coming from JU.
ReplyDeleteLooks like the news is really not coming from Ju but from Andricev Venac instead
DeleteIn Croatia, everything is coming from sredisnjica HDZ-a as well, but there is no news at all on field of aviation. Just compare the two. I am not fan of Serbian politicians, or politicians generally, on the contrary, but results of civil aviation in Serbia are amazing and incomparably better then croatian counterpart, despite croatian flag carrier has alliance membership, better political position, has much much much more tourists and about equal diaspora, even geographical position better or the same for transferring between the Balkans and W and N Europe and N America. So, whatever is ordered from Andricev venac concerning Air Serbia, it deserves respect and congratulations
DeleteIt really is a colossal blunder that OU failed to capitalize it's geo position, EU membership and above all millions of tourists that visit Croatia every year. What a shame. 10000 + peple could've enjoyed high paying aviation related jobs.
DeleteWith FR going wild in ZAG there is no chance for them to recover from this. They lack a large number of transfers to compensate for the loss of O&D that migrated to FR. I mean for the first time ever OU is sending Q400 to CDG! It means they probably carry 40 to 50 passengers to Paris!
DeleteWill be interesting to observe this adventure
ReplyDeleteWondering what the frequencies would be like if they start YYZ and PVG.
ReplyDeleteThrice weekly in summer. Twice weekly in winter.
Delete3 pw to YYZ is not possible with current bilaterals.
DeleteTrue, but I think 3-4 weekly in summer to YYZ & ORD would work.
DeleteCan Shanghai/Beijing work without codeshare with chinese airlines on toward domestic routes ?
ReplyDeleteThey will probably conclude codeshare. They already have codeshare deal with Air China and interline with Hainan Airlines.
DeleteOh and Hainan used to codeshare on some of Air Serbia's regional flights while they were flying to Belgrade. So I don't think it will be a problem for them to conclude a codeshare.
DeleteSomeone should serve Guangdong area from BEG, that shall be proposed to China Eastern.
ReplyDeleteWhy Guandong?
DeleteHe probably means Zhejiang province ..
DeleteGuangdong is the province, with several international airports, the biggest being Guangzhou/Canton (CAN-ZGGG), where China Eastern is based. I believe he meant Guangzhou.
DeleteORD is the second biggest market in North America, right after New York so it would make sense to go there.
ReplyDeleteWhy not combine ORD & YYZ?
DeleteWhy are they still undecided when it comes to ORD or YYZ? Air Serbia had years to prepare and they still didn't make that decision? Surely you can't be serous?
Delete^ Maybe because the market conditions have changed beyond what anyone could have ever expected. Turn on the news.
Delete@9.45
DeleteWouldn't that be problematic because of security? All passengers would have to get out of the plane, be screened again. And what happens if someone has a Canadian visa but not a US visa? Do you need a visa to transit through the US?
What market conditions? Pandemic affects both Chicago and Toronto and both are open. Kerosene is getting more expensive at both ORD and YYZ. What news will inform Air Serbia to make the call on the Chicago or Toronto decision?
DeleteUmm maybe that you need to be vaccinated to enter either country. Or that you need to also do a test before traveling to either country, that the issuing of visas to enter either country has been significantly slowed. Just those few pesky things.
DeleteEntry requirements exist for other 50 or so destinations Air Serbia files to. Dozens of international airlines fly to Chicago and Toronto. If they can figure it out Air Serbia can too. Visa and pandemic requirements change all the time.
Delete@09,45
DeleteIt's not the 1980's. Technology has advanced and so has aircraft range. People also have options and transit pax are not easily motivated with 2 stops.
@09,51
Alot has changed in the sense that alot less people are traveling, the overall global travel market is no where near full recovery while more and more people are booking last minute, making it difficult for airlines to predict loads. 1 thing is flexibility with current capacity, short haul is easier to play around with, long haul not so much. Expensive investment that needs time to produce results.
Canada has one the worst travel restrictions and their regime is very much Controlling every citizen leaving that country. Most parents have chosen not to Vax kids and therefore many families are not able to leave Canada as they must have vaccine to exit . I am more then happy that our gouvermant is involved in such a talks as we can see what happened to many airlines stopping YYZ or relocating to YUL instead. AS started JFK operation at the right time however at that time everything was extremely pricey and they were well aware it would take 3-5 years to be profitable on such a market. Lots have changed like someone mentioned on here and they were smart to delay adding additional 330.
DeleteJU should fly to where they can get a codeshare with another airline ..
DeleteStats show very high percentage of Canada residents including kids have been fully vaccinated. People travel freely. Outlook for the next six months is improving.
DeleteJU didn't get JFK codeshare with AA, UA or DL. Don't expect codeshare for ORD or YYZ.
DeleteCanadian kids yes, European almost none and we depend on diaspora more then anything.
DeleteHope it materializes.
ReplyDeleteThey really need to join an alliance if they want more US flyers and destinations.
ReplyDeleteASAP
DeleteGreat news!
ReplyDeleteThis makes a lot of sense, why not? You gotta spend money to make money
ReplyDeleteGotta take a risk some times.
DeleteI really do not want to hate, these are great news if become true, but I really do not get how NY flights are profitable with just two weekly flights during several months
ReplyDeleteKeep in mind they reduced their handling costs in New York by relocating terminals and negotiating better terms. They also significantly reduced aircraft lease cost after getting rid of Etihad and its expensive YU-ARA lease.
DeleteThey say they are profitable on a yearly basis which means they make enough in summer to cover the losses in winter. No airline out there flies with a profit in February or November. Same with JU.
DeleteChina flights are already a done deal.
ReplyDeleteYes, apparently talks already taking place with Russians about overflights.
DeleteAir Serbia growth on steroids this year.
ReplyDeleteGood luck JU! Hope they spread their wings more
DeleteNow is the opportunity to launch additional long haul flights as leasing rates for aircraft are low and airports are willing to reduce their fees.
ReplyDeleteAs each month passes and recovery seems to be on the horizon, prices will become higher and higher.
DeleteWow at Shanghai having the most pax from BEG. Never would have guessed.
ReplyDeleteIt has been the case for several years now.
DeleteThere were a lot of Chinese tourists coming in, plus Chinese community in Serbia is from provinces around Shanghai.
DeleteFantastic!
ReplyDeleteCan't wait for YYZ-BEG...2-3 times per week it would be great for everyone!
ReplyDeleteThey should use the opportunity while Austrian Airlines is falling apart.
ReplyDeleteIt's a shame JU is not as responsive on the long haul market as it is responsive on the regional market.
DeleteLong haul operations entail much more risk than intra-continental.
DeleteAny new long haul route requires significant investment.
DeleteNot as significant as the first. You already have crew and pilots trained, experience in dealing with these flights and passengers, a sales network in the US if they want to launch a new routes in the US and so on.
DeleteThey could have leased a second A330 for this summer and launched flights to Chicago plus one off charters to places like Zanzibar, Maldives, Seychelles in cooperation with tour operators, which are now in high demand. Use the plane to do the cargo flights to China as well and eventually as the world opens up launch new flights to China and Canada.
ReplyDeleteI doubt. It'easier to try long haul in October, with one A330 to JFK, YYZ and PEK 2 x pw for example, when Covid ends, and if it works, to lease another jet for summer '23
DeleteLove that pic
ReplyDelete+1
DeleteIt's nice to see JFK has been profitable for them, despite what some people say here.
ReplyDeletePeople forget that it takes time for a route to mature.
DeleteIt has also been one of the most stable routes in the region.
DeleteGood luck JU. I think the most realistic new long haul route will be Toronto and Shaghai but who knows. We will see.
ReplyDeleteReally hope to see Air Serbia add second wide body and start more long haul flights.
ReplyDeleteAs Slovenian, I highly envy you guys. Not having connection to main hubs is painfull I can't even imagine having flights to USA or China, so you guys; Please be happy about the recent JU development
ReplyDeleteNothing to add.
Delete+1 and people still act like everything is perfect. God I just can't believe how bad connectivity is in Slovenia. Bravo Fraport! Bravo Slovenia!
DeletePodpiลกem.
DeleteHey, the market will sort itself out. Isn't that what they told us?
DeleteAdria isn't looking all that bad now, is it?
I can't trust this guy, elections are coming.
ReplyDeleteElections came in 2016 and New York was launched.
DeleteBravo Croatia Airlines! Bravo to all of those spitting on me when I was saying OU should have done this decade ago, when Jat Airways barely existed, Malev went bankrupt and Aegean not that big yet. Go on feeding Lufthansa and singing Danke Deutschland.
ReplyDeleteyou nerves, really you nerves...I like your interesting post, but when you start to write every day the same about OU, Uhljebs and HDZ etc.... its boring and you nerves
DeleteI think it's just a bot that makes the same automatic comments every time at this point. Article is about Air Serbia and i have to see comments about HDZ apparatchiks or whatever.
DeleteYou guys just envy PiR because he is resourceful and knows more about aviation than the two of you combined. He also has some good damn aviation history behind him while the two of you are just nouveau aviation fans.
DeleteTrue, i do envy him. Especially for being a master of spamming the same repetetive comments in completely irrelevant topics.
DeleteOf course I nerve you. Istina boli! Uhljebi na aparatima! Advice : skip reading my comments if they bother you. But we all know the reason why you are here, and that is to advocate your Party and its bastard OU. Is what I wrote related to today's topic or not, I let normal visitors conclude, which some already did, before me. Cheers!
DeleteI like your comments Pozdrav so keep on writing them. Ignore the sewer trolls.
DeleteIt's interesting that all big news about AirSerbia are coming either from MoF or President of country or other SNS member. Somethimes I wonder if AS have CEO, press relation manager or something similar or company is actually run by SNS.
ReplyDeleteYes, the 12 new Air Serbia routes announced last month were all announced by the party. What sort of nonsense are you talking about.
DeleteWonder who is the majority owner of AS ... gouvermant of RS.. so strange they are involved .
Delete@anon 14:00 I don't consider every new route to be big news. Especially because most of them are just being restarted.
Delete@Lane
Government owns majority stake yes, but as far as I know, AS has its own management and CEO, and president of country or ministers aren't in any of those positions. Imagine if Angela Merkel was announcing every aircraft that Lufthansa bought. It would be a joke.
Out of the 12 announced routes, 11 are brand new.
DeleteMehaniฤar you are comparing Germany and Serbia ? In Serbia we have to fighr for every single destination and invest soo much work .. LH not the case, it get served to them . I am proud they are involved and not letting AS hanging like most balkan countries did and we can see how they are doing now. This work is being on the table for years. Has nothing to do with any electronics as who votes for someone bcs they start flying to Toronto. Kind of ridiculous.
Deletethe demand data looks good with 110k
ReplyDeletebut to me the biggest surprise is profitability of BEG-JFK. the route profitability probably has a subsidies correction item
also, if someone from serbian goverment is reading this - please agree with aliexpress to allow packages of >5$ worth to have free shipment. this will unleash GDP growth potential
thank you
They probably mean that it is profitable on a yearly basis meaning enough is made in spring, summer and autumn to cover the losses made in winter.
DeleteWell done Air Serbia! But nobody wonders why any foreign airline from USA or Canada or China do not care of coming to Belgrade??!!
ReplyDeleteI would be much happier if OU had scheduled services to North America and the Far East, than having Air Canada and Korean Air in Zagreb or United or Delta in Dubrovnik. Of course perfect would be to have both, but in my opinion you shouldn't be unhappy with JU adding more long haul instead foreign airlines
DeleteI have been saying for months that there would be flights to Toronto, Chicago, and China this year. Even if Chicago is picked over Toronto, Air Canada may choose to fly to BEG. Either way, as much as I hate state subsidized carriers, AS is doing good.
ReplyDeleteStill haven't heard any launch dates.
DeleteTo become commercially succesful the new destination in China has to be Shanghai Pudong.
ReplyDeleteOf course.
DeleteI mean guys, what is this? I really don't understand purpose of such statements. There is no dates, nothing is official. They spoke about additional A330 even for this year. Other airlines would just give you the starting date.
ReplyDeleteThat's why I wouldn't take this news too seriously.
DeleteWill Air Serbia have special flight numbers for long haul flights?
ReplyDeleteBetter start Shanghai and Beijing from China, Chicago from USA and leave Toronto to Air Canada
ReplyDeleteAnd withdraw from JFK and join *and start feeding LH. Are you for real?
Deletepozdrav iz Rijeke and you are telling me that not having flights to Canada at all is better than Air Canada flying it since there wouldn't be room for all 4 routes?
DeleteNo, I am telling it's better for Serbian economy and Balkan travellers that Air Serbia operates Toronto, not Air Canada. And as YYZ is limited to twice weekly by bilateralls, there is space to operate both YYZ (alternatively ORD), and one Chinese destination, as announced
DeleteNot as announced but as planned, or wishing.
DeleteI deeply apologise. As planned. And highly likely very soon to be announced. Because they don't kiss other's as.es. As is the case with the closest neighbours.
DeleteYour apology does not sound sincere.
DeleteIt was not meant to be. You very well know, the same as I do, that these two new services will start. So, insisting on formal word planned instead of announced is something I kind of made fun of, with formal apology. You wanted formal, you got it formal, capisc?
DeleteI still sense a little bit of cynicism in your response. At this point I formally do not accept your apology.
Delete๐ This one I like ๐
DeleteYou guys are funny!! Lolyou should go for a beer and talk over things:)
DeleteMoze i rakija ๐
DeleteJU need to find a USA Codeshare partner. JetBlue would be a good choice.
ReplyDeleteI would rather see one of the USA big 3.
DeleteThey have an interline with AA and B6 but connectivity isn't the best because they need more 07.45 departures from Belgrade. The later ones arrive too late to JFK to catch all the connections.
DeleteI think they gave up on finding a partner there and are now focused on their own flights and connections in Belgrade.
Apparently Air Canada is starting BUD fligths this spring using B787s.
ReplyDeleteNot good for JU.
DeleteThey have been saying this for a decade - when will we ever get a direct flight YYZ-Belgrade!>!
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