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Air Serbia has confirmed it will maintain two weekly flights between Belgrade and Chicago when the route launches next April. At this point, it is unclear whether frequencies will increase as the 2023 summer season progresses. In addition to Chicago, the airline's long haul network will include New York and flights to China. Services to the Big Apple will peak at daily during the height of the summer season. The airline will maintain its long haul network with two Airbus A330-200 aircraft.
So what’s the exact problem with launching YYZ 2pw as well?? They cancelled Toronto launch because of only two frequencies and now they start ORD with two frequencies, where‘s the logic ???
ReplyDeleteWhat are you talking about? They never scheduled Toronto in order to cancel it. And baseless rumours in comments that limitations to bilateral are the reason they don't fly to Toronto are just that - rumours. It could have to do with Toronto being one of the most expensive airports in the world, travel restrictions or a number of other things.
DeleteWell I‘m guessing it because they held several talks in 2021, the Canadian ambassador confirmed launch to YYZ as well. Bilateral agreement can change anytime from 2pw to 3pw, that’s enough for JU.
DeleteHere is the logic: 2 ACs, 7pw JFK, 2pw ORD, 3pw China equals 12 flights pw, means minimum buffer for possible slippages...
DeleteGive it a break with Toronto
DeleteOčekujem i treći let u špicu sezone. Bilo bi interesantno znati koliko slotova su zakupili na ORD.
DeleteYYZ is WAYYY too expensive for airport fees. Much cheaper to fly to Saskatoon so I can get a direct flight home. Kidding aside, look at the difference between landing fees in Canada: Montreal's Pierre Elliot Trudeau Airport (YUL): The landing charge is C$10.81 per 1,000kg, regardless of MTOW. (A 777-300 would be C$3,235)
DeleteToronto's Pearson Airport (YYZ): The landing charge is C$17.71 per 1,000kg, regardless of MTOW. (A 777-300 would be C$5,300)
Only 0.01% understand you.
DeleteHaha, I would say at least 15% - this is a specialised forum after all. It is simple, like for like, 10.81 vs 17.71 Canadian Dollars, per every 1,000 kg of weight of aircraft.
DeleteCool, than we probly see some JU A330 arriving to BCN and ZRH again, during SUTT 23
DeleteHahahahahahahaha
DeleteThere are also the costs of introducing brand new market like Canada. Like employing staff familiar with Canadian laws, advertising agency costs, additional sales infrastructure, to some small "details" like translating in French too (I guess it would be expected even if not enforced)...
DeleteIt's easier and cheaper to add destinations at the market you already serve. Having three long haul destinations in three different countries is nightmare.
I say let AC do the flight, they can bear the landing fees.. Beside they code share with JU
DeleteOr sardina TS instead of AC.
DeleteIf it remains at two flights per week during the summer then should have not even started it. ORD needs to be at least 4 in summer to enable respectable connections.
DeleteToronto Pearson was very expensive when bilateral talks were held. If high cost was prohibitive why negotiate bilateral in the first place?
DeleteThere are also costs of introducing brand new market like China. Employing staff, advertising, sales, translating to Chinese, their laws etc. If those costs are prohibitive in Toronto why are they not prohibitive in China?
Excuses for not starting Toronto won't hold water.
One at a time
DeleteRumour is that JU intends to bring in a third A330 quickly after the arrival of the second. This will be for boosting frequencies to ORD and China as well for further expansion. Lets relax and see what happens. I think it was posted yesterday that JU is looking at 9 new/relaunch destinations this winter as well. It'll be interesting the next 12 months at JU.
DeleteThird A330 when and if happens is much more likely to further boost JFK, ORD and TSN frequencies than to launch YYZ.
DeleteAgreed, let's relax and let Air Transat seize the opportunity.
I undetstood that 9 new destinations will be launched from March
DeleteI don't see Canadian airlines lining up in front of Vinci offices in order to launch Belgrade
DeleteIf they get a great deal why not?
Delete@17,43
DeleteIt could be 9 this winter. We already have 2 announced so far (ORD and TSN), another 7 to go. CAI looks as if it will be returning, I wouldn't be surprised to see it return before the summer season, which leaves 6. Then there is also talks of TK adding another destination from Turkey to BEG, where I am sure JU will get something. Perhaps it will include a seasonal route going year round, SPU would be a good candidate.
They did mention recently about their issues with seasonality and I guess adding new destinations in the winter might help, perhaps as a test.
Why not fly to YHM? It is only 45 west if YYZ and tons of Serbs in the area.
Delete@15.08 the initial question was why ORD and not YYZ
ReplyDeleteTravel restrictions are not the reason Toronto was not launched. China has a lot more covid related restrictions and that didn't stop Air Serbia from announcing China flights.
ReplyDeleteAny other myths about Air Serbia failure to launch Toronto in need of debunking?
Why on earth do you call it a "failure". They obviously did the numbers and it made sense to launch Chicago first. Calm down.
Delete''Failure to launch Toronto''. Lol just lol. Do they have an obligation to?
DeleteDoing numbers doesn't mean they did it right. Air Serbia did the numbers for Varna and a long line of routes that failed. Toronto has higher demand and yield potential
DeleteIf Air Serbia's two or maybe even three widebodies, with several destinations, some of them with daily frequencies, in country with almost no tourism, lower incomes and living standard and restrictive visa regime, are failure, than Croatia Airline's Dash mostly fleet for LH only feeding with huuuuge losses is ultra giga mega failure par excellance
DeleteAir Serbia didn't have obligation to launch Chicago either. They should have launched Toronto first or both Chicago and Toronto at the same time.
Deletepozdrav iz Rijeke
ReplyDeleteSerbia has about 1.9 million foreign torisss annual, tourism does exists actually, plys belgrade is a regional transport hub. People travel, people use airplanes for their trips, come on
Of course that Serbia has tourism and people travel. I never said opposite for both. But it cannot be compared with croatian tourism which is 12 million per year, and two million only from distant markets. That proves Croatia Airlines turbo failure even bigger and unbelievable and that was the point of my post
DeleteGood for Air Serbia but they'd better hurry up with the expansions. Wizzair announced basing its 7th aircraft in SOF this winter recently and BEG may be next.
ReplyDeleteJU should focus on its smaller fleet first.
For those constantly talking about Toronto, I think they should first drop the visas to Serbs. It remains one of the few countries in the region requiring visa such as UK and Ireland.
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