WTF

Flight? How long would that take? 10 minutes?

I think Ljubljana - Maribor would work better. Or even Ljubljana - Portorož for the Slovene holiday makers.

Ljubljana-Bled. I believe there is still an airport at Bled :D

A LJU-BEG route would be far more succesull than all the other mentioned.

The others are a joke mate.

But I wonder if a connection between Dalmatia and LJU would work primarely targeting trans continental tourists wanting to visit both Slovenija and Croatia+ some segment of local traffic

dont feed the troll :)

I think it's just dot/fullstop missing. They should try Ljubljana. Zagreb also. Or, they should try both. Or they should try Ljubljana and Zagreb. I believe that was the meaning. Can't understand anyone could seriously suggest service LJU-ZAG for LCC. And it's too stupid for the joke too. So it must be just dot missing

Wasn't a missing dot one of OU's latest excuses too? :P

Gov has nothing to do with the problem they (we) have - its Fraport. Its Fraport and its LHG protectionism. And we all know it but fraport fans still call it FDS. Now you have it cleary written in this article.

Yes, such LHG protectionism that Lufthansa is slowly shifting more and more routes from Frankfurt to Munich.

FCO could be Wizz since they have a base there.

Is anyone from the industry here that can tell us more about that?

I see Wizz with FCO and Vueling/easyJet on somewhere from Spain.

easy has also FCO base

Regarding new routes, you just have to go down the list of charter flights from LJU this year. Many of those could be seasonal scheduled services.

Wizz is not really that much interested in seasonal routes

Belgrade's loss could become Ljubljana's gain if the government plays its cards right.

^ True dat!

yes. More business friendly.

It can't be worse than Bratušek. A five year old could do better than her.

@9:12
Mrs. Bratušek has done a lot for railways and transport. Mr. Vrtovec, on the other hand, does less in the railway sector and more in the aviation sector. But both are good in their own way.

@9:24 That's such a bot response. Alenka inherited all the projects on the railroads and she didn't manage to push through even the smaller station reconstructions that are already designed and have the funds reserved. Vrtovec actually managed to somehow push a few DPNs through and started many smaller upgrades that are desperately needed on the network. That being said, both absolutely do not know anything about aviation.

Too much BS. Vrtovec couldn’t care less about aviation. Some things you read here?! Is that you Krasnja?

Wow, low cost airline saying that costs are high, who would have thougth.

For an LCC if it is not getting paid to fly to an airport it calls it too expensive, let alone actually having to pay landing and parking fees!

@10:00 yeah yeah, move on with that sillyness.

It's a great result but it seems they a fishing for subsidies.

I think TGD will be equally sucsesfull and they will wipe out Air Montenegro on this route.

AM is for sure out. Today they have just 20 seats not available to reserve, while Wizz usually has just a few seats left.

There are many tourist from Montenegro in Ljubljana these days… direct effect of wizz

During the whole June, "only" 1.689 tourists from Montenegro visited Slovenia, some of them probably coming by car as well. The new route is mostly focused on Montenegrins living in Slovenia and probably Slovenes visiting MNE.

You can also get a single ticket from Podgorica to Ljubljana tomorrow for 31Euros, prices throughout July are dirt cheap which tells us all we need to know about how low yielding this route is. A taxi to downtown Podgorica isn't much less lol. Without subsidies this route is totally unviable. Similar situation for Skopje, while the fare a bit higher they are really towards the cheapest end of what one can find during summer which means they really don't make much money from these flights.

@10.17 Meanwhile Podgorica really is dirt chip, prices to Skopje normally go above 100 euro close to the date of departure, especially in the summer. I am sure they make good money on the SKP route, for TDG, we will have to wait and see, if nothing else, I am sure it will work just fine 3x per week.

That number for SKP is really astonishing

There is no way they make 'good' money on Skopje. Its a route that can never command premium prices and i'm sure they make very low ancillary revenue from it too. But yes they clearly have had success in filling the flights and the general prices (whilst still very low) are higher than to Podgorica.

@10:26 yep its a useful intra-Ex yu connection which serves a large area both ends.

Okay, then let's take out the "good" and say that they for sure make money on the SKP-LJU route. Otherwise it wouldn't go from 3x per week at the start to now 5x per week and even daily in April and May.

The subsidies defiantly make it workable for them yes. Without them I'm not so such it would be considered a 'good' route no matter Skopje fanboy's enthusiasm for it.

Considering that it was daily for some time I am very sure that it would work without the subsidies, even if only 3x per week. (And I am not a skopje fanboy haha)

I agree it probably can work without the subsidies and is a useful connection indeed. But its defiantly not a financially high-flying route overall.

You dont need to be a Skopje fanboy to realize that this route is an (to some folks here) unexpected success.

All the low yield experts, have you lately checked prices from Zagreb to Malta from 7.7. and following days? Prices between 17€ and 30€ mostly.

@11.18 Amen bro. These low yield experts are former high density experts that strangely have something against the existance of certain routes.

@12:01 what weird views people like you hold lol. Why would anyone be against the existence of any routes?

Well dont you see what people write here? That prices through july are dirt cheap at 31€, which should tell us evertything about yields. Meanwhile Ryanair has the same prices or lower out of ZAG.

Why the whataboutism? Its a very basic and useless arguement. People have been discussing Ljubljana today.

So you admit that Ryanair will soon discontinue ZAG-MLA because it has low yields?

What on earth are you talking about?

You are constantly applying that low prices means low yields and that routes like that will be discontinued. Yet we clearly see that routes with such pricing operate without issue. Not to mention that you are intentionally leaving out the factor that there is actual competition on TGD-LJU that they are trying to get rid of with such pricing.

I do not think that. But perhaps you have invited something from your own imagination. Strange.

@13:40 are you slow?

@13.40 give it a rest. What are you trying to achieve all day?

They could start by bringing back the two routes they discontinued.

By the end of the year. Airlines have become very late with announcing new routes.

^ Because booking window has moved very late. People are now booking tickets just 2-3 weeks before their flight.

+1

Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Catania, Rome, Naples, Malta, Larnaca, Tirana, Oslo, Dortmund, Berlin, Luton, Beauvais, Charleroi, Eindhoven and some seasonal routes to Greece.

Who on earth would fly to dortmund from slovenia

The guy saw that there are routes from Dortmund to BEG, BNX and TZL and thought, hey Ljubljana should have the same, not understanding that those are pure gasto routes.

Belgrade, Sarajevo, Pristina, Ohrid and seasonal Dubrovnik

Cologne (CGN) would be more useful for serving North Rhine-Westphalia. I can't for the life of me see how Wizzair would fill A321s to Oslo from Ljubljana with much profit. But i might be wrong.

@10:06 no way on earth an A321 between Ljubljana and Sarajevo is a profitable option. That has been discussed many times here.

SKP-LJU was also discussed that it'll never work :)

SKP-LJU is not easily driveable whereas to Sarajevo one can drive. The route works with help with subsidies but take them away and its not a big money maker for Wizzair.

@10.20 LOL. From no demand at all to only work with help of subsidies. You failed on the whole line. With what will you come up in Sept when the subsidies have run out?

Not Happening because Fraport decided so. The cancer of slovenian aviation!

@10:51 what do you mean? Its unclear

All the low yield experts, have you lately checked prices from Zagreb to Malta from 7.7. and following days? Prices between 17€ and 30€ mostly.

How about LJU-BER that must be the biggest gap. LOL

Lets see what happens with Wizz in BG first. But yeah even twice a week would be a useful route indeed!

I totally see them flying… but Belgrade lost its appeal among slovenians lately

Not surprising. Its not what it once was sadly. Also driving remains a really efficient means of getting there if one wants to go. Whilst I'm a big supporter of Wizzair, personally I'd rather have JU serving LJ 2/3 or even 4 times a day because it gives flexibility which is positive for both airports.

@10:10 flexibility with 200+eur for 500 km return flight

Indeed.

I checked some JU flights in February 2027 and JU charges 22.200 without luggage which is €180!

Number of Slovenes in Belgrade still grows so demand is there.

Small market surrounded by mich bigger markets which are all driving distance.

Fraport is not interested.

Ignore 9:43 because he only repeats what he reads from Ryanair propaganda articles. The real reason is that the CAA absolutely has no enthusiasm to make the approval side of things easier for outside airlines to base anything in Slovenia. The processes simply take too long and there is always the uncertainty that things won't get through. If Austrocontrol can issue a new AOC in 4-5 months, it takes Slovenian CAA 2+ years to do the same. Under the same legal scope, mind you. On top of that fuel prices in LJU are roughly 30-40% more expensive than in bigger hubs around Europe. Taxation of salaries in Slovenia is towards the upper half in EU which also makes it inconvenient for airlines to have locals employed.. There are reasons but it is simply easy to reduce it all down to "Fraport bad".

Omg, so stupid!! LCCs very rarely get a local AOC just because of the base. CAA has NOTHING to do with it. Its Fraport and noone else.

The more exclamation marks the stronger the argument it seems. I gave AOC as an example. If an airline doesn't know which steps it has to take to open a base in Slovenia and contacts the Ministry of Infrastructure or the CAA, in best case they will receive a back and forth between the two. Ministry will say "we are not responsible, contact CAA" and CAA will say "we are not responsible, contact the Ministry". In most cases, you do not even get a response. That is the welcome that you get. If they contact Fraport, Fraport gives them their price and thats it. High fuel costs, high salary taxation burden are still there as well. Why would Fraport lower their prices if Petrol gets away with high prices as well? Fraport bought the airport to make a nice profit and they are successful in that.

Lol, you obviously have ZERO clue about the competences of the CAA. CAA has NOTHING to do with connectivity, they do not issue any kind of base approvals. CAA is there to certify and oversee the safety (and security) and nothing more, but you still think you are an expert?

I did my homework and you can only apply ad hominem. Not a single counter argument. Have a good day.

Nope

Its a fun idea (i guess) however its not efficient and is a recipe for problems and the accumulation of delays with increased costs so isn't the kind of they would do in reality.

More likely two to LJU and two to ZAG, and than A-B-C-B-A

Bucharest? And in what world is that going to be profitable. Baby steps now, baby steps.

Bucharest has been among the most unserved routes for many years and you are surprised if someone mentioned it as a potential? Of course, you know nothing.

I know its among the most unserved. So calm down dear

Which tells us all we need to know about the Slovene market.

And that is what?

That its a bit rubbish really

@12.32 Rekla kazala so

how much did you pay for the ticket?

Stop being the negative guy all day long

valid question tho?

35.99€ one way

And at least 2/3 of passengers had checked-in luggage.

I also flew with them, plane was sold out

How much money have state airlines eaten up?

Wizz is not competing against ghost airline from the past but other airlines operating at LJU under the same conditions and incentives. Looks like only Wizz has problems on a level playing field. No wonder people talk about looming Wizz bankruptcy.

They're hypocrites.

@12:12 im sure the feeling is mutual.

They have 270 a321neo aircraft on order and they will only be retireing 62 a320/21ceo, so they will be launching a lot of new routes.