That lasted long lol

Have a feeling we will be reading a similar article for Air Croatia very soon.

I don't feel sorry for the people who booked tickets with them. Who could be that stupid.

+ 1

This looked fishy from the beginning but I do like their livery

It seems like Air Serbia cancelled today's flights to Prague and Tel Aviv, what is happening, any info ? Sorry if I was not right.

Dalmatian and BWA - fantastic airlines.

Prague might be weather related. It's horrid in Belgrade at the moment.

Bosnian Wand Airlines Fail

hahaha I was waiting for this :D

Air Croatia and BWA fail

An 'airline' which had a photo of its cabin crew with oxygen masks as the background photo on its website. No wonder.

I think Golden Air from Maribor is the record breaker. It lasted a full week before they suspended flights. Dalmatian never took off so I'm not going to include them.

Ovo je neko zesce pranje para.

Let's also not forget that JU cancelled a great number of flights this February so maybe that has something to do with it.

However the weather in this part of Belgrade was bad but not that bad. Since BEG is in a plan there might have been strong winds.

I suspect TLV was cancelled due to 'fantastic' loads.

You have to understand that flights were not cancelled. A frequency increase was planned for December/January and they went back to October levels for February and March. It was planned like that from the beginning.

Actually no, a lot of February frequencies were cancelled in January. When the winter timetable was announced a few months ago these frequencies were planned.

OT: Now it's official. BEG published its January numbers.

Passengers: 308.381 (14%)
Movement: 4.506 (9%)
Cargo: 608.243 kg (6%)
Mail: 151.218 (49%)

Overall a great month and it's nice to see cargo and mail on the rise. Let's hope this trend continues, especially in February which has traditionally been a disastrous month for BEG.

Note: INN-NS do not comment please.

Ode BWA dolazi W6.
INN-NS

OT:

Eurolot od 31.3.2015. ukida sve svoje linije, liniju za Zagreb od 1.4. preuzima LOT Polish Airlines.

Да, вероватно ће слати Е170 што је супер.

Letece sa Q400 u bojama LO
INN-NS

Oce li sezonske preuzesti LOT ili nista od toga? SPU je imao linije prema Varsavi, Gdanjsku i Krakovu, pa eventualno ukidanje nije bas mali broj...

Svih 10 Q400 preuzima LO valjda ce nositi i livery od LO.
Ni jednu liniju K2 nece ukinuti te letove ce samo obavljati LO
INN-NS

OT : Why JU112 BEG-SJJ A319 has just been diverted back to Belgrade ? At same time OS's A319 and JA's AT7 landed safely. All other flights at SJJ are mostly according to the schedule.

Sorry, second A319 was JP's.

Could be weather related? OU Q400 is delayed by an hour while FZ landed 88 minutes late.

I guess you're wrong INN-NS, from airliners.net:

None of the "own" K2 routes will be taken over by LO. LO will only take over domestic feeder flights, operated by K2 aircraft.
LO cannot open any new routes until winter 2015 season, per conditions of their EU financial assistance.

What is happening in Zagreb? Horrible delays this afternoon!

Pa onda znaci da ce K2 da bankrotira ?
I da nece leteti vise za ZAG
Neverujem da bi to dozvolio LO.
INN-NS

JP with A319 to Sarajevo???

February is a disastrous month for pretty much every airline and every airport in the Northern Hemisphere. Hopefully things get more evened-out now with all the transfer pax Air Serbia is getting.

OT: Are Air Serbia pilots allowed to fly and land manually, without using the autopilot? Thanks.

Letove će obavljati LOT, postojeće linije se ne ukidaju!

Why wouldn't any pilot be allowed to land manually as long as weather conditions allowed it so?

Smeju.
INN-NS

Sa cime ce obavljati kad im je E flota i onako zauzeta.
INN-NS

It looks in pretty good condition.

What is the Atr in-there?

Another interesting thing is that one of the JU A320s is parked in front of Jat Tehnika.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/t31.0-8/10952966_886271514765039_3399744701913462118_o.jpg

YU-ANJ was/is the B733 in the best condition. It was the one that was held hostage in Istanbul during the 1990s so it has the most cycles left. Also it's cabin was quite good.

As for the A320, for a few days now only one A320 was flying due to light loads.

I hope that this summer these old ladies will fly only to summer charter destinations. They are not configured for regular flights. Flying experience was really not good, especially on longer flights.

Nothing worse than being stuck on the Bulgarian to London!!

OT: G’day! Rumor has it that Air Serbia is prepping 2014 financial report to be published soon. Mates, you have to polish that report until its fair dinkum! Ace that report bloody good and tell those big mobs of Brusseleers to rack off! With strong numbers coming in it should be a piece of piss to crank out a ridgy-didge report! Can’t wait for ripper report to come out! Cheers!

OT: if they start flying to Zurich, I am gonna get so pissed off.


Niš čeka "iznenađenje" Er Srbije

http://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/srbija.php?yyyy=2015&mm=02&dd=06&nav_id=955451

"Bulgarians" are not among the fleet. They have been returned.

"Ugovor bi omogućio da 'Er Srbija' svakog časa može da donese odluku o poletanju iz Niša, a mi takvo iznenadjenje i priželjkujemo"

To me it seems like INI's wet dreams. Plus, didn't JU already say that they are not interested in flying out of Nis?

It will be Nis-Melbourne with Boeing 77W.

Yes, I am talking about last summer. Even though the Bulgarian was much worse they still have the same configuration.

Perth actually.

With a fuel stop in Innsbruck!

77W nema toliki domet da leti za MEL to moze jedino 77L
INN-NS

There are going to be weight restrictions and possibly a technical stop! :O

Exciting times ahead!

@AnonymousFebruary 6, 2015 at 5:24 PM

On the place of ASL i would send it to IST every time and say "ah you can't catch it now!" LOL :D

Considering the small increases, the reduction of the midnight wave and the addition of ZAG, this isnt too bad of a result. I was worried the growth would be smaller.

If February stays at 14%, this will bring the result a little under the Jan 2014 result which is good, with a wait until 2016 for that month to go over 300.000 pax.

August being the busiest needs a 5% increase to have over 600.000 pax, lets assume a 15% increase and we have 662.930 pax.

As a couple of comments have gone, the lack of a midnight wave is killing the CLF for the morning wave. I hope this returns soon.

77L sa Dženeral Elektrik GE90-115B1 endžins.
INN-NS

Posto me ismevate zaboravili ste nesto GE GE90-115B1L
INN-NS

Both A320's are flying. At the time of writing:

- YU-APG enroute to CDG at 38.000 feet as JU314
- YU-APH enroute to ZRH at 36.000 feet as JU374

The entire Airbus fleet had flown today. Only YU-APH didnt fly for 48 hours from the 3-5 Feb. YU-APG didnt fly this morning either. Perhaps some light maintenance was performed.

YU-ALU isnt flying and hasnt flown in the past week at least. Anyone with info?

As for the Aviolet fleet, YU-AND, NI, NJ and NK seem to be flying

As for YU-ANF, NH, NL, NV and NW, it seems theyre the ones left for spares?

Ko tebe sme da zeza kad ti sve znaš? Molim te lepo.

Znači ako izveštaj kaže da prave profit i sve potvrde revizori onda ih više neće cimati razni Birnovi i M.Brkići?

OT: ZAG ima od 02/15 FAH 734F let svakodnevno za BGY, izgleda da je za DHL

Objectively, does Air Serbia needs a 3rd A320 for the time being?

Let ce da obavlja Air Contractors za DHL
Jel postoji cargo linija iz BGY za BEG
Hvala unapred.
INN-NS

How come the post increased by whole 49%(?), that's huge!!!

No. A319 seems to be enough capacity as it is. Personally, id like to see them double the ATR fleet with 4 more A319's in the next 2 years.

Air Serbia is not using its A320s to the fullest as it does not need them in winter time, the loads are not great all the time.

For example today:

BEG-SKP 65 pax. // SKP-BEG 64 pax Atr-72
BEG-SOF 83 pax // SOF-BEG 79 pax A319
BEG-OTP 54 pax // OTP-BEG 90 pax A319

A320 to AUH departed with 36 pax and returned with 67.

Cheers from AUH. :)

Oh and just to add, there is a good possibility that OTP will become a regular A320 in summer.

Off to sleep now. Ciao. :)

True, true... however Belgrade with almost 700.000 passengers in a month will be like a zoo. lol

They definitely need more shops, restaurants and cafés.

DHL is using AN-26 of a Hungarian company which operates flights BUD-BEG I believe 4-5 times a week

If those stats are true than ASL is doing well on those routes. I would have to say those are healthy loads for short flights like that in FEBRUARY except maybe that flight with 54 pax to OTP. If ASL was using atr-72 on flights to SOF and OTP then the load would be 100%.

Thanks for the numbers :)

as for AUH they are obviously not doing too well, I was referring to SKP, SOF, and OTP

Damn, Air Serbia still has "Qatar loads" to AUH. Is it like that every day?

^ haha, +1 for "Qatar loads"

EY loads are much better, JU's loads are more seasonal but they are far from bad. In January they had around 85 passengers on average which is ok.

Does anybody know the loads Qatar has nowadays? Do you think they might improve after linking it with SOF? If I remember correctly during summer time they had around 25 pax.

It was CityLine Hungary, but from June 2014. it's RAF Avia - Latvin cargo company, also using An26.

Све најбоље!

*Latvian :-)

TXL-DUS i AMS su takodje odlicni.
INN-NS

DUS je odlican
TXL je dobar
AMS je ok. Vecernji let za Beograd je obicno uzas zato sto ne mogu da se nude presedanja.

Najprofitabilnija linija je SVO.

Kad bi uz ona 2 A319 od EY i 330 dosao jedan A321 da leti za SVO to bi bilo super,
INN-NS

Jok, nema potrebe za sirokotrupnim vazduhoplovima, A321 tokom leta je ok zato sto imaju saradnju sa SU. Puno putnika u biznisu.

I don't know about OTP bud BUD already seems to be a regular 737 :/

^ They are using it due to lack of ATR aircraft. BUD is doing not bad but catastrophic. I

Yes, if the Atr went, the loads would have been meh... Just ok.

Budapest departed tonight with 42 passengers and returns with 28. Return flight is no bad because there is Abu Dhabi, Larnaca, Moscow and Beirut. On a slow night BUD happens to return with just 5 passengers. lol

For JU, AUH does well, and those flights do know to go out full, especially june-september period. I even traveled in late october with JU to AUH and the flight had very few spare seats. EY loads are much much better and average 95% year round. I would say AUH for both carriers is very far from QR loads.

As for A330 and A321, this is the least of JU priorities. The 2 A320's are big enough capacity for now. A321 is too much capacity, let alone the A330. Regional network is still not the best to bring in widebodies. Better and expanding, but not yet ready.

The A321 would be an option during the busy season and on the following routes:

- SVO
- CDG
- LHR
- ZRH
- ATH

@AnonymousFebruary 6, 2015 at 11:06 PM

I know, was just kidding and paraphrasing the guy @10:17PM ;)

The only route where the A321 would operate with a profit almost year-round that's Moscow. But you don't add a type for a single route. It's easier to sell the spare seats onto a SU flight or just add an additional A319 departure, which is what they did. At 4-5 daily rotations i think the market is pretty much maxed-out.

Kad bi dosao A321 u configuraciji C12 i Y196 da bi bio profitabilan na linijama SVO-CDG.
ASL bi bilo bolje da sto pre uzme jedan A332 od EY
INN-NS

Zaboravljate ZRH.

Da ZRH-DUS-LHR-AMS .
Opet kazem ASL treba sto pre da uzme jedan A332.
INN-NS

BEG nema kapaciteta za A332, vec je prenatrpan.

BEG ima i kapacitet za 77W i A388.
INN-NS

U teoriji da, u praksi nema. BEG je mali aerodrom i sa povecanim brojem avio operacija situacija je postala jos gora. Pogledaj samo kako je kada sleti sirokotrupni avion. Pretpostavljam da nikada nisi bio na aerodromu.

Ja jesam bio na aerodromu sve moze da se prilagodi da A332 lako ima mesta sve zavisi od timetable kad leti i nadam se da ce koncesionar uskoro preuzeti BEG.
INN-NS

Svaki put kada sleti sirokotrupni avion nastane haos na aerodromu, secam se samo kako je bilo kada je sleteo etihadov b773.

Заборављаш да за нашег аустријског мачора све у Београду, Србији... мора бити фантастично и савршено. :)

Za A332 je idealno vreme negdo izmedju 14-16h mislim da bi tad mogao cak i 77w DA SE SMETI:
INN-NS

Za A332 je idealno vreme negdo izmedju 14-16h mislim da bi tad mogao cak i 77W da se smesti
INN-NS

Па да али не функционишу тако ствари, све зависи од реда летења. Чињеница је да је београдски аеродром мали за редовне широкотрупне летелице. Чак и излаз А1 не може да прими било шта веће од Б763.

today, a BH Airlines flight landed at bnx under bad weather conditions. It was snowing heavily but, fortunately, the temperature close to the ground was somewhat above zero.

Pa ja sam gore isto napisao da zavisi od reda letenja.
U 2 ujutru moze i A388 stati.
INN-NS

У два ујутру не може јер је скоро цела флота у Београду. Ако Б773 заузме две стајанке онда би А380 сигурно заузео 4.

Ko kaze da mora na gate da ide nemora u opste.
INN-NS

There is no point in bringing in a new type and larger aircraft for a few destinations. What Air Serbia should look at is frequency which it is doing. This cannot be done if capacity is being added with larger aircraft. Air Serbia may be able to run say 2 A321, but that will be at the cost of frequencies, which JU doesnt want nor need.

Regarding the widebodies, BEG can easily accomodate say several B767 type aircraft at a time, the HY B763 used to frequently park at A1, Someone here mentioned about the wingspan of the A330 being a restricting factor, to which he is correct, as the wingspan is almost double to that of the B767, meaning it wouldnt be able to park at A1, and at other gates would block a few gates while it is parked. One solution is to use the B1-B7 stands, but busing people to remote stands isnt the best solution, especially since the holding areas arent that big either. BEG mainly handled DC10 type aircraft, they didnt have the large wingspan as the A330 does and BEG hasnt adapted or had the need to adapt since for larger aircraft such as the A330.

Dissapointing is the new stands C7-C10 dont seem to have been projected for widebodies. This could be fixed by further expanding the apron to allow 4 widebody gates since they will anyway extend the terminal in that direction. Might as well do it from the start when there is a short-medium plan term for them.

@INN

BEG would struggle to accommodate the A380 if it could take the aircraft. The Serbian DCV has the info on its website, you can look for yourself the airport plans and capabilities. Quite a few things hold back BEG to take on the aircraft. Taxiways are not suited for the A380 and neither is the runway the desired width for the aircraft. The apron would be a restricting factor for the aircraft because of its size, just like with the B777. For someone who has friends and contacts or what ever at the airport, in JU etc, you should know this.

"as the wingspan is almost double to that of the B767, meaning it wouldnt be able to park at A1..."

Well, it isn't actually double, it is only about 10m longer (48 vs 60m). Regardless, BEG can currently handle few widebodies, let's say 2 A330 in JU's fleet and some foreign airline operating without problem, they'll simply be parked at B1-B7. Busing to the gate is nothing surrealistic, it's being done at many airports around the world, Doha or Delhi to name a few, even minuscule Zagreb.

The much bigger constraint than gate accommodation is JU's network, both regional and to everywhere else outside Western Europe, which ranges from pathetic or inexistent* (with notably Spain still missing in the Western half).

*i'm talking of all the regions that could be served with the type of metal JU currently flies (flights ~3 hours, that would fit in the same departure banks)

https://pp.vk.me/c623921/v623921496/1b87b/Ndb9fMMDMOk.jpg

With JU's network staying the way it is now, it's gonna get stuck in growth sooner than later due to the asymmetry of the very network planning.

@ Aerologic

Nothing wrong with bus gates, ive used them in large hubs like BKK, MEL, DXB, DOH, MUC, FRA just to name a few, the holding areas in BEG arent large enough for the smaller wide body (A330) capacity which need to be bigger. Capacity for this size isnt the issue, but we do have the 'special' couple of people here talking of A380 capabilities.

No big deal, in many world airports the queues from the gates extend well into the corridor, having two or three of those a day won't make BEG totally crash. After all you're here to fly in the plane, not in the gate, where you shouldn't spend more than 15-20 min. I can't imagine it being worse than Wizz Air experience with full A320 at A9, people still keep using it. Alternatively you can load the a/c from two gates.

Of course, you can also board a widebody from A10 if you want to and if you don't give a damn about passenger experience which is something JU does. That's why boarding via buses is not an option.

Also, with the current luggage sorting facility the last thing BEG needs is to add a widebody to the mix.

Stop talking shit, you're full of it.

Frustrated much?