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| Air Serbia bids for entry into US market |
Air Serbia has requested a foreign air carrier permit from the United States that, if granted, would enable the airline to provide scheduled and charter foreign air transportation of persons, property and mail on any and all routes authorised pursuant to the new US - Serbia Open Skies Agreement. In its application, the airline says it will first provide services to the United States in a codeshare agreement with Air Berlin via Germany, and could eventually offer its own flights. It marks the second time the airline has requested codeshare rights, after it was rejected by American authorities in October 2013, following strong opposition from Delta Air Lines. As a result, this latest application, and the response it receives from the United States Department of Transport (DoT), will be closely monitored, as it will indicate possible opposition from carriers and other groups.
Air Serbia is seeking to be granted rights to place its “JU” designator code and flight numbers onto Air Berlin’s services from Berlin to Chicago, Miami and New York JFK, as well as from Dusseldorf to the Big Apple. In its application, the Serbian carrier says, “While Air Serbia initially proposes to provide scheduled air service from Belgrade to New York, Chicago and Miami pursuant to a codeshare arrangement with Air Berlin, Serbia's recent achievement of Category 1 status under the FAA's International Air Safety Assessment Program makes it possible for Air Serbia eventually to provide its own service to the United States”. It adds, “Air Serbia is fully qualified to provide this service, which will inject important new competition into the US - Serbia air transport market, and will be fully consistent with the public interest”.
In its application, Air Serbia claims the flights are in the public interest and that allowing it to operate its own services will boost competition. “The new US - Serbia Open Skies Agreement, and the broader public interest, strongly supports a decision to grant Air Serbia the requested authority. At present, only a single US carrier, United Airlines, holds out a scheduled service to Serbia, via a codeshare with its European alliance partners. Allowing Air Serbia to offer its own scheduled service to the United States would be consistent with the Agreement, and inject an important new competitive option in the market”, the airline says in its filing.
In October 2013, Delta Air Lines appealed to the DoT to reject a codeshare agreement between Air Serbia (then Jat Airways) and Etihad Airways on flights from Abu Dhabi to the US. At the time it said the two carriers had not been candid with the Department concerning Etihad’s ownership interest and effective control of Jat. It later filed a separate docket against the approval of codeshare flights between Air Berlin and Air Serbia on services from Germany to New York and Chicago. Etihad responded to these allegations by saying, “No US carrier, let alone Delta, directly serves the US - Serbia market, and no US carrier (save for Delta) opposed these applications. It is essential to note that even though US carrier interest in these applications may be limited, the interests of Serbia and Abu Dhabi are not”.
Aviation authorities from the United States will perform their final checks on Serbia’s readiness to handle transatlantic flights this September. Late last month, the Serbian government said that Air Serbia will launch flights to the United Stated towards the end of the year or during the first quarter of 2016. “The launch date depends both on the airline and airport, not their technical capabilities, as they are already prepared, but rather on market conditions. With all certainty we can expect these flights to commence either at the end of the year or in the first quarter of 2016”, the government said.
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Dolazak wide body aircrafts za lnterkontinentalne letove je deo programa razvoja Er Srbije. Deo bilateralnih odnosa Srbije sa USA. Deo sistema Etihad Aviation Group, u kome je AIR SERBIA punopravni clan, ucesnik ukupnog i svojeg razvoja. Dobijanje aviona sa podrskom nece predstavljati problem. Jedan od najvaznijih stavki jeste sposobnost Srpske kompanije da privlaci putnike iz Njujorka, Cikaga, Toronta, Los Angelesa, Majamija, Vankuvera, Dalasa, San Franciska. Uspeh u partnerstvu I novim dill-ovima, omogucice da Air Serbia, postaje prava AIR SERBIA. Na koju i sa kojom se moze ozbiljno racunati. Kako odnosom, uslugom prema svojim gostima i kargo klijentima... Da AIR SERBIA know dhow. Uspeh u pripremi i organizaciji prvog Srpskog avio prevoznika jeste neupitan!✈. Potajno prizeljivajuci za pocetak letova turbo-propa na Kraljevackoj ✈MORAVI✈, just left to say: Yes ✈AIR SERBIA✈ you can do! With good heart ✈Rodney✈❇😊☀🌏. Kraljevo✈Sydney.
I letece se za jedan grad u USA i jedan u Kanadi samo me zanima sa kim ce imati codeshare sa B6 ili AA.
INN-NS
INN-NS
July 2014: 144.784
July 2015: 185.811
I went on their site, but I could not see it...hope it will work as the company says! Good news :)
This will be a sad day for haters...
Also, if you are going to troll on other people's posts then at least have a decency to do it in English.
Alaskan Airlines had it since 1999......no one complained so much until ASL come in, and it took them 2 yrs to get it up and running...former airline JAT didn't do bother at all....
I suppose you never experienced those morning crowds at BEG.
On the other hand, Air Serbia wants to be a regional carrier and they need to fix these issues much faster.
That will make every other airline jurassic, not to mention that JU will also have its state of the art futuristic business lounge opening next mth too...
It will be fantastic to see how all the haters respond to this .....
We both know the answer to this - absolutely no one, especially on the wi-fi on board - and that is what will set them a apart from the rest of the competition
Also, cabin crew have horrible work conditions. Many, many have left the airline after a year and moved on to Qatar or Emirates. Working conditions might be harsh but at least the money is incomparably better. Take the example of the scarf which was pure plastic. It took the airline 6 months to replace the fabric after crew complained of having massive rashes all over their neck.
Then there is the HQ where many, many skilled employees left due to bullying and generally a certain high level employee harassing people all around. The situation in JU is not great, on the inside, on the outside everything is wonderful.
Air Serbia's WOW moment is gone. Lot's of people left so generally people know what kind of working conditions to expect, which was not the case a year ago.
This check-in news perfectly illustrates how a hater's mind works:
- when there is no check-in online: "Helooooo, web check-in, we are in the 21st century or what??"
- when the online check-in is introduced: "I told you soooooo, I told you we would wait forever for this??
- and when the onboard Wi-Fi is introduced: "Check the winter timetable!"
- and when the business lounge is available: "Who flies your business class anyway??"
For once, that is today, you lot fully deserve INN-NS and whatever he has to say about your hatred.
Svaka čast.
You have to understand something. When it comes to Etihad, a lot of their less qualified workers ended up in JU wihich is nothing surprising but it still hurts the airline big time.
Also, the winter timetable was mentioned many times before online check in became available so your argument once again doesn't fly.
As for the business class argument, are you saying I am wrong? In winter time CDG is the businest with C class loads of around 30%!
I hope that things will turn around and that we will see hard core professionalism on all levels.
I think that's why some people are angry with them. They present themselves as the perfect airline and then there are major fails that just make you feel wtf, who are you kidding.
Maybe they can fight off OS with its Embraers by sending Aviolet to VIE XD
First-quarter 2015 results: Austrian Airlines Slightly Improves Earnings by EUR 1 Million
Finance Results
• Airline reduces losses in the winter season from EUR -54 m to -53 m
• Crises in the Ukraine and Middle East continue to negatively impact revenue
• Austrian Airlines plans to significantly raise earnings in the entire year 2015
Austrian Airlines continued to take small steps forward in its recovery efforts, also in the weather-related traditionally difficult first quarter of the year, as demonstrated by its key financial indicators. The crises in the Middle East, Russia and the Ukraine have a clearly negative impact on revenue. However, Austria’s national carrier succeeded in slightly improving its operating results by EUR 1 million compared to the prior-year quarter. Austrian Airlines reported a negative EBIT of minus EUR 53 million in the first quarter of 2015 (Q1 2014: minus EUR 54 million).
My wife (university educated, graduate degree, very experienced in what she does) just worked 22 hours over the last weekend. Before this she worked for 5 straight days and this week she’ll do at least 10 hour days at least every day. First day off she might see is Saturday. So, this week (starting Saturday) she’ll work close to 100 hours. She’ll make exactly $0 extra for all of this. She might (only might) get two days off for weekend days. What am I trying to say is that shit happens, most jobs these days are not 9-5 and require extra effort and flexibility. People everywhere tehse days are expected to do a bit more for less. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending ASL because I don’t know the situation but what I’ve heard and seen from some of my friends and family tells me that people there are sometimes very delusional. The worst thing is that as soon as those people come here they have no problem answering such requests because they see noone else complaining.
Listen, I agree that 19 hour shift is not normal and if it happens all the time, it points to different kinds of issues (understaffing, strained relationship with low/midlee mgmt.. etc.). But again, I’m not surprised if that happens in airport environment where you have delays, meteorogical issues, emergencies compounded all with sick leaves, last minute cancallations etc. My nighbour works for AC at YYZ and he tells me of long shifts and shitty outside work at -30 deg all the time.
The other thing you mentioned, 30K salary is low. I would say very low. However, the issue is in supply in demand. THe day ASL or any other business is not able to fill a position they’ll either increase the pay or change working conditions or hopefully both. Unfortunately, supply/demand curve in Serbia is heavily tipped and until balance is reached such low wages are here to stay.
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They've now cut public transport pay and topli obrok which was a nice 7K addition every month.
This is beyond bad, especially for the airline as all those who are competent are fleeing like crazy. Starting salary in the HQ is €440 per month and it doesn't change for at least 18 months.
JU really needs to work on improving moral with its employees. Whats the point on joining JU when the contract is only for 1 year? Ground staff given 20 hour shifts is appalling to say at best. A couple of months back, I sent a compliment into JU regarding a fantastic team working onboard a flight to AUH and to this day JU have not responded to at least say thank you for the feedback, let alone praising the crew, considering names were mentioned! Judging by their facebook page, customer relations is crap.
Everything on the outside is wonderful? no, and far from it. JU have a lot of room for improvement. Air Serbia got rid of some good people who worked with Jat!
Lepo je od vas sto sugerisete Er Srbiji da me zbog moje ''promocije'' Kraljevackog aerodroma MORAVA, ponudi mesto na prvom letu... Pa hvala Vam za lepe misli. Ne to se nikada nemoze dogoditi. Glavni razlog jeste da nisam ni u cemu doprineo nekom bilo sta u ovoj drzavi. O aerodromima Srbije i ili Er Srbiji, da ne i pominjem. Ovde nisam dostojan ni kanale oko aerodroma kopati. Ne kazem zbog moje skromnosti. Nasuprot, zbog ljudi ovde, koji su nedostizni u svojim sposobnostima. Bar u odnosu na mene. Ako sam prisutan bio, a i sada u oblasti putnicke avijacije, to je van granica moje zemlje rodjenja. To nije bas relaventno, za ovde. Svakako, misliti, govoriti, svedociti o dobru prema ljudima i o ljudima jeste mera kojom nastojim primenjivati, leteci sa kontinenta na continent u blizu 50 godina. Sa nadom da nam se oporavlja Srbija, a u njoj razvija AIR SERBIA, aerodromi Srbije, a posle Beogradskog, Niskog, da i aerodrom Centralne Srbije MORAVA KRALJEVO skine ispred ulaza zardjali lanac, zakljucane kapije. Dabto ce se dogoditi. Necu sa ✈MORAVE✈ direktno moci da letim za Sydney, tu je ✈NIKOLA TESLA BEOGRAD✈. Sa Kraljevackog cu leteti na nekim bliskim destinacijama, kada dodje vreme. Ako mi verujete?. A mesto? Pa koje bude ostampano na bording pass. Uz svako dobro ostajte ''kume''. Radovan😊❇🌏. Kraljevo ✈ Sydney.
What exactly don't you understand 9:07?
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Not to mention that in ASGS it is common for them to give you two 3 month contracts then have you quit JU only to rehire you the following day so as to give you another three month contract.
You are lucky if you get a one year contract right away.
Jat offered more on short haul compared to A3 and even OU, not to talk on Air Serbia. But the biggest disadvantages to JU is being relatively new and unknown, BEG being what it is, Serbia lacking tourism and a poor Serbian economy.
JU is taking too long to implement improvements, such as online check in and better customer relations, which havnt been positive to a brand still in formation.
cabin crew receive much better salaries. Conditions are ok, but JU is not a motivating airline to work with as an example I wrote above, the 1 year contract is not appealing, and the company is more focused on changing things that don't need to change such as translating all the manuals from Serbian to English rather than improving on things that are not working for them - ie: the temporary contracts.
19 hour shift WOW. I have a hard time believing but I’m sure you know what are you talking about. That's definitely not normal even if they have a number of day for rest in between. Why would you even schedule your people like that? I would understand if there was some emergency or bunch of people didn’t show up at work that day that you ask certain people to stay longer and fill the holes but to do that on a regular basis … . To me that points out incompetent managers, nothing else and goes along with what I always believe is the biggest issue in Balkans. That is the fact that average manager doesn’t have a clue how to operate in normal, competition drive environment.
Reporting is even in the ME3 where quite a few JU crew are leaving for. QR is by far the worst of the ME3. The ME3 also have 'mystery shoppers' to ensure the standards are met. Someone doing their job as per expectations should have nothing to fear. However, shit does happen to put it directly and simply.
Unlike in Serbia, in Qatar and the UAE it is illegal to protest as well as to have a union. Having said that, the salaries are higher and benefits are better, depending on the company, not to mention layovers on top of everything. Still, quite a few QR crew have 'escaped' the company during their layovers.
All this other BS about some group spying for mgmt. I’ve heard that before as a complaint and to me is an utter stupidity. Do you think that my neighbor from the next cubicle wouldn’t tell my boss if I’m doing something wrong? Of course he would and he has every right to in my mind. If FA is doing what they are supposed to, why would that even bother them. If you are trying to cut corners, take stuff for yourself that doesn’t belong to you than they should report you.
But it's ok, the most important thing is that when Dane and his buddies go to AUH that they have 4 carts of jagnjetina ispod saca, wine, champagne... brought for them.
I niko nikoga ne.drzi na.silu na poslu.
INN-NS
grading is done in the ME3 as well, in EY it is called 'iReview' and in EK it was 'flight review'. In EK every crew was graded after every flight, and seniors were encouraged to find shortfalls even as pathetic of a coaster with the logo not facing a customer. The system was suspended temporarily for 'improvement' due to pressure from crew to do so.
@ SM
Underperforming crew can always be terminated under the pretext of not abiding by the contract. ME3 offer 3 year renewable contracts. Its not long but neither is it short.
with the war going on between the US carriers and those from the Middle-East, how do you imagine that they will grant ASL permission to fly to the US? Are you aware of what is happening there? If yes how do you expect to give permission to a ME subsidiary?
SVO i AMS su uvek dobro popunjene i ne smanjuju se .
INN-NS
INN-NS
In today's episode, we will explore this myth. ME subsidiaries already have permission, so Alitalia and Air Berlin fly to the US. All ME3 airlines also fly to the US. There is no reason Air Serbia should be treated differently. Myth busted!
INN-NS
So Serbia's position is slightly more complicated than that of AZ and AB... especially since you forgot that both of these airlines belong to countries which have an Open Skies agreement with the US.
There, myth busted.
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Ja sam vise puta naglasavao da ce se neke stvari desiti u Avgustu a sto sve morate cuti od mene ?
Pa nisam banovan i bice jos lepih vesti.
INN-NS
You failed to make a connection between lobbying and the rulings. Are you implying that's why Delta objected last time? Easy there, tiger.
As they say on the Mythbusters show, if everything else fails there's always c4. Let's end with the big bang as audience wants it. You were saying "Serbia's position is slightly more complicated than that of AZ and AB... especially since you forgot that both of these airlines belong to countries which have an Open Skies agreement with the US"
Ouch, you just swallowed a c4. Let me detonate it for you: if you read the new bilateral, in fact even if you read today's article, you would notice that new USA-Serbia bilateral IS an Open Skies agreement! Boooooom!
Jeste ali vi ne shvatate neke stvari.
I ne znam sto ste toliko ljubomorni.
INN-NS
А што се тиче Отвореног неба, авио-компаније ће ипак морати да поднесу захтев и да добију одобрење одређених установа те није као да су све препреке уклоњене.
Србија, баш као и државе Персијског залива, су небитна тржиште те Делта и остале компаније могу себи да приуште да се боре против њих. Ту је још једна велика разлика између Ер Србијe, Алиталије и Ер Берлина.
Делта и друге компанијe немају намеру да лете за Србију док то није случај са Немачком и Италијом. Не кажем да ће нас Делта сигурно саботирати али имајући у виду колико су отворено и дрско лобирали против нас, сигуран сам да неће тек тако прихватити да кренемо да летимо.
У закључку, треба мало боље изанализирати ситуацију пре него што се крене у насилничке поступке као што је детонирање Ц4. ;)
P.S.
Evo ja se potpisujem, jel to sad u redu?
- Delta, United i American su navalili ko mutavi na MEB3 (Etihad, Emirates i Qatar). Odvija se pravi rat. Obama mora donjeti odluku. Stvarno mislite da u tome Etihad neće gledati svoju guzicu i da se neće baš nešto pretjerano boriti za Air Serbiju zbog svoje vlastite borbe. Nije to Turkish i Istanbul gdje su mogli upotrijebiti svoju utjecaj. Ovdje su stvari bitno drugačije
- Nitko u Americi nije glup pa da ne shvača da je "manjinska količina dionica" zapravo razlika do tek 2% i da Etihad zapravo superiorno vodi Air Serbiju. Znaju oni tamo dobro čiji je igrač Dane Kondić, znaju oni da direktorica aerodroma Zadar odlazi u Dohu na pregovore za letove Beograd-Zadar, znaju oni dobro da je Etihad naredio ova zimska rezanja... Dakle znaju oni dobro da je Air Serbija zapravo samo Etihadova ispostava.
- Jasno je da nije ista situacija Alitalije i Air Berlina u usporedbi sa Air Serbiom. Prvo ove dvije kompanije već odavno lete za SAD, drugo velike američke kompanije svakako ne žele ugroziti svoje letove za Italiju i Njemačku, treće iza njih stoji močna Europska unija sa pola milijarde stanovnika i najbogatijom ekonomijom na svijetu, četvrto i same te kompanije su vrlo utjecajne sa code-share ugovorima, znatnim kapitalom, vezama, ogromnim narudžbama Boeingovih aviona...
- na kraju Obama će morati pokazati zube. Teško da će uspjeti potpuno ukinuto open sky sporazum sa Arapima, ipak su tu i JetBlue, FedEx i ostali koji na njemu žive i traže da se to ne dira. Ali morat će i nešto napraviti da ne ispadne da je šonjo. Vjerovatno će se limitirati prisutnost MEB3 kao što je to napravila i Kanada, a onda ostaje mazanje očiju nebitnim ograničenjima poput zabrane letova Air Sebije. Dušu dalo da se pokaže kako su žestoki, močni i nepopustljivi. A koga briga za Air Serbiju. Niti vlada Srbije ima snage da se tome odupre, niti govorimo o tržištu koje će time naškoditi Americi