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| Air Serbia gets all clear for US flights |
The United States Department of Transportation (DoT) has issued Air Serbia a permit to operate "scheduled foreign air transportation of persons, property and mail from points behind the Republic of Serbia, via the Republic of Serbia and intermediate points to a point or points in the United States and beyond", in an order served yesterday evening. Furthermore, the carrier has been granted rights to operate scheduled all-cargo services between the US and any points, as well as charter transportation of persons, property and mail. The permit approval comes just over seven months after a request was initially submitted by the airline, during which both the company and its hub airport underwent inspections and checks by US authorities.
The Acting Director of the Office of International Aviation at the DoT, Brian Hedberg, said in his final order, "We make final our findings and conclusions as stated in the order and award to Air Serbia a.d. Belgrade the foreign air carrier permit. Unless disapproved by the President of the United States under 49 USC §41307 [code title for transportation under US law], this order shall become effective on the 61st day after its submission". The order was submitted for review under 49 USC §41307 on January 12, 2016. The 61st day was March 14. Since the President did not disapprove this order before that date, it became effective this Monday. Furthermore, there were no objections by other parties, such as airlines, unions or other businesses either.
As a result, Air Serbia's flights to New York are no longer pending government approval and ticket sales will no longer be subject to this designation. The airline will become the first national carrier in the former Yugoslavia to operate transatlantic flights in 24 years. Furthermore, the route will become the first long haul service operated by a former Yugoslav carrier in sixteen years, the last one being Belgrade - Beijing, terminated in 2000. Services to New York will launch on June 23 and will run five times per week with an Airbus A330-200 jet. The aircraft, leased from Jet Airways, is expected to arrive in Belgrade during the first half of May.
Praise the Lord! It was about time! 98 days to go!
ReplyDeleteCongratulation to AIR SERBIA! ✈ Happy flight.
ReplyDeleteIt's been a long journey everyone.
ReplyDeleteJune is going to come quick.
The process actually went by quickly. Usually it would take up to a year for an airline that has never flown to the US from a country that has had no flights to the US.
ReplyDelete"Usually it would take up to a year for an airline that has never flown to the US from a country that has had no flights to the US".
DeleteHuh? JAT flew to America 24 years ago, from this same Belgrade, in Serbia, that the new flights are being launced out of.
DoT and FAA regulations have changed immensely in 24 years, as has the US and the world.
DeleteVeliko je izcekivanje prvog u istoriji leta Er Srbije iz Beograda i Srbije. Ko se ne radovauj? Niko ko radosti u sebi ima. Pa radost bila velicina mikrona. Dve hiljade sesnaesta je godina Er Srbije i Aerodroma Srbije. Ponosan sam sa vama. Pred let za Sydney...
ReplyDelete✈Rodney✈
congratulations Air Serbia! May you expand in future to many more overseas destinations!
ReplyDeleteok so what do people think, what will their second long haul be if they get another plane? My bet is Beijing.
ReplyDeleteMy prediction is YYZ. I think it would complement JFK very well.
DeleteBeijing or Toronto. Chicago would also be good. After that they should consider Africa, Shanghai, Bangkok or India,those are really growing markets with potential.
DeleteHogan said new North America routes won't come for a couple of years (and remember Hogan was the first one to say NY would launch either in late 2015 or in 2016). Last November Vucic "slipped" information that Beijing would be next and I doubt he made it up because he isn't smart enough just to pull that one out of the bag. He probably heard it discussed and of course being the person he is couldn't keep his mouth shut.
DeleteThis is not a PC game where you just buy a plane and than open new route. Even JFK is only an adveture and a big hedache will follow.
DeleteFirst it was "flights will never materialise", then it was "it will remain an AB codeshare", then "DoT will never give its approval to an Etihad Partner", and now you're left with nothing but a "big headache". Keep it up.
DeleteJust ignore them. Whatever happens,they will always have their little sad story. As long as Air Serbia is going forward, their negative comments are becoming even more inconsequential than they already were.
DeleteZapravo ovo jeste PC game za ljude sa puno novca. Takvi su novi propisi. Tako upravo sada radi i Norwegian. Citaj malo o avio saobracaju iako ne letis.
DeleteSure...but Norvegian is not a company in major state owneship.so they use their own mony not mine or yours. It is so easy to vaste someone's other money to gain your own goals..should they be prestigius or political or any others.
DeletePo nekim izvorima sledece je YYZ ma da je preokret uvek moguc.
DeleteINN-NS
There is no second destination without second plane.
DeleteNe znam kakve veze ima vlasnicka struktura sa propisima. Tvoj bes sto sve nije otislo u rukke Wizza razumem, ali i to nema veze sa tim kako se danas dobijaju dozvole u avio saobracaju. Pokazes da imas ozbiljnu kompaniju, da tvoja drzava ima sluzbu koja ce te kontrolisati i sve ide po loju ma sta mislili fanovi CTN, AA, Wizza i sl. Jednostavno ako imas profesionalnu kompaniju sto vi sve vreme bezuspesno i tupavo pokusavate da osporite.
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DeletePa mozda ja znam da ce doci jos jedan ili dva pa ce se uspostaviti YYZ.
INN-NS
Letim YYZ - BEG - YYZ tri puta godisnje i to poslednjih deset godina. Nema grada gde nisam presedao. I Zeljno cekam taj direktan let kao mnogi koji zive u Kanadi. Pouzdano znam da letovi izmedju YYZ-BEG ce da budi uspesni za ASL. Srecno u NJU JORKU!!!
DeleteWith a second plane you could TECHNICALLY open up 2 new routes with the following schedule: 5 p/w JFK, 3 p/w YYZ and 3 p/w PEK. I am suprised the so called experts on here like "Purger" "Nemjee" "JATBEGMEL" "Aleksandar Stojanovic" etc... did not mention that before
DeleteWe had that discussion here back in 2014 including sample schedule for JFK ORD and YYZ 3-4 p/w with two planes and even examples of split schedule that would work for infrequent feeds like DBV.
DeleteApprovals are one thing but getting an aircraft - which no one has yet seen - and getting it into the air is another thing altogether. Keep the champagne on ice you fanboys ....
DeleteWe have seen it
Deletehttp://www.exyuaviation.com/2016/01/air-serbia-to-take-delivery-of-a330-in.html
But keep dreaming. Must be hard for you.
We have all seen that aircraft there was even a picture with JU CEO in the cabin. It is happily plying the skies above Africa twice daily so no issues getting it "into air". Looks like it will get maintenance, cabin work and repaint in April/May and could arrive in BEG by late May or early June according to some comments.
DeleteFanboys - keep the champagne on ice... Anyone can walk on an aircraft and say, "this is it".... When it is painted in air serbia livery, decorated in its colours, registered on its serbian AOC and flying to the US, then you can pop open the cork. Until then, nothing has or will happen
DeleteWhen you are desperate you really need to hold onto everything you can. Once a hater always a hater but it's getting quite pathetic.
Delete@Anon at 11:12
DeleteTime to make some bets: if Air Serbia does not start flying A330 to JFK by the end of June, I will send a case of Dom Perignon to your door; if they do start, you get banned from posting here indefinitely. Ready to accept the bet?
Trump Train actually I did mention that some 4 weeks ago, even more I said that with two planes it can be done:
Delete6 pw JFK
3 pw YYZ
3 pw ORD
I don't find and call myself "expert".
Zev. Mudraci.
ReplyDeleteASL, Live long and prosper!
ReplyDeleteDidn't people comment here only last week that flights will not happen because they are not going to get a license?
ReplyDeleteYeah,sad haters. You should get used to such 'predictions', haters love to use those.
DeleteWhere is that comment? I tried to find it but can't locate it. Thanks in advance
DeleteЕ, да нису на'ранили оне куце пре неки дан што су намирисале експлозив на лету из Бејрута, врага би смо данас читали ову вест :)
ReplyDeletehahaha tako je
DeleteNikave oni pse nisu nahranili imali su sve u spisku robe za prevoz. Da li ti zaista mislis da Obama ceka takav izvestaj da ne potpise saglasnost? Vasa glupost je kolosalnih razmera.
DeleteZasto su onda tako reagovali?
DeleteDa li si ti procitao izvestaj o asl?
DeleteInteresting procedure. I had no idea the US President himself can actually veto the decision.
ReplyDeleteYea he can veto any law or any decision of administration.
DeleteI think "Toma diploma" can do the same here in Serbia...not 100% sure though
ReplyDelete@anon 11:32
DeleteNo he can't.
DeleteBravo Srbija!
ReplyDeleteREADYYYY!!!....OKAY!!!! Keep the cheerleading going on!
DeleteObveza Srbije prema ugovoru sa Etihadom za subvenciju Air Serbije za 2015. godinu bila je 18 milijuna EUR. No, Srbija je na Aerodromu Beograd otpisala 22 milijuna EUR. Zašto dodatna 4 milijuna EUR na koje nije bila obvezna?
ReplyDeleteIli je Air Serbija opako falio dodatan novac, ili je Republika Srbija vrlo bogata država koja ima viška novaca i dijeli šakom i kapom dodatne milijune EUR? Jel Srbija još nekome tako dala više u 2015. nego što je bila obveza po ugovoru?
Kod ovako divnih vesti uvek se nadje neki Provokator . Koji nabavi vesti iz kuhinje u Beogradu.
DeleteINN-NS
Ovo drugo je u pitanju. Mnogo smo bogati!
DeletePurger, u Zakonu sve lepo pise: "Ukupan iznos obaveza koje se preuzimaju od strane Republike Srbije iznosi prema kursnoj listi Narodne banke Srbije na dan 30. septembar 2014. godine 19.302.535.814,12 dinara, od čega se na obaveze koje su već regulisane od strane Air Serbia a.d. Beograd odnosi 2.626.637.925,81 dinara. U cilju efikasnijeg servisiranja dugovanja koja se preuzimaju, jedan deo obaveza će servisirati Republika Srbija direktnim plaćanjem sledećim poveriocima Air Serbia a.d. Beograd - Aerodrom Nikola Tesla a.d. Beograd, Naftna industrija Srbije a.d. Novi Sad, Direktorat civilnog vazduhoplovstva Republike Srbije, Jat tehnika d.o.o. Beograd, Kontrola letenja Srbije i Crne Gore - SMATSA d.o.o. Beograd, Beogradska banka a.d. Beograd u stečaju, Investbanka a.d. Beograd u stečaju i Narodna banka Srbije, obaveze prema ostalim pravnim i fizičkim licima regulisaće Air Serbia a.d. Beograd nakon prenosa sredstava iz budžeta Republike Srbije. Da bi privredno društvo Air Serbia a.d. Beograd funkcionisalo, rukovodstvo ovog privrednog društva nije čekalo izmirivanje obaveza od strane Republike Srbije, već je izmirilo obaveze, te iz tog razloga Republika Srbija će refundirati te isplate Air Serbia a.d. Beograd. Na druga pravna i fizička lica čija potraživanja će regulisati Air Serbia a.d. Beograd odnosi se prema kursnoj listi Narodne banke Srbije na dan 30. septembar 2014. godine 809.394.645,00 dinara."
Deletehttp://www.parlament.gov.rs/upload/archive/files/lat/pdf/predlozi_zakona/4581-14%20-%20lat.pdf
Kada je Air Serbija izmirila obveze. Nije provokacija, nego iskreno pitam one koji su gledali financijska izvješča. Jel stvarno istina da je Air Serija izmirila ovako ogroman iznos pa je onda dobila taj novac na račun?
DeleteINN ne kaki, sine?
A evo Gospodina koji zahteva da mu se drugi obrate sa kulturom a drugima se obraca sa ne kaki .
DeleteASL je profitabilna kompanija sto je dokazala i KPMG .
INN-NS
Purger, Serbia actually hands out money in form of subsidies, loans and grants to state owned enterprises like there's no tomorrow. It might actually be that JU is the only entity where they are under contractual obligation to do so.
DeleteDa li si ti cuo za vlasnicke obaveze? Lupetas kao maksim po diviziji.
DeleteOdlicne vesti za Srpsko Vazduhoplovstvo .
ReplyDeleteZa 1,5-2 dolaze novi A320 Neo koji toliko lepo izgledaju sa novim motorima , a nadam se sa njima i novi A330 Neo .
A mnogi ovde nisu hteli da se ovo desi a nece ni ostati samo na 1 liniji prema Severnoj Americi .
Svaka cast Management-u i Pilotima .
INN-NS
OT: Od danas konacno QR direktno za DOH.
ReplyDeleteoh now that you reminded me, how are the loads :D
Delete120 ljudi na danasnjem letu, nije to lose za njih!
DeleteI just checked aviatica after posting this question and it was there lol, but thanks anyway. Anyhow, that is a healthy load and it is amazing how a company can progress from 20-30 pax at the begging to decent loads.
DeleteI have no idea how will BEG perform for QR in the future, but saying it is making progress from 20, 30 to 120 pax over the example of one flight (also the first one, so god knows how many media or similar tickets were given) is really extremely optimistic...on that note, I am sure first BEG JFK flight will be packed, but that doesn't mean that it will be like that constantly.
Deleteanon 4:22 I was making conclusions based on info on previous loads which were posted here in addition to info from a friend who travelled twice. Of course we cannot make conclusions based on one flight, but loads did increase to acceptable numbers and that is why QR is going direct.
DeleteOvo danas nije bio prvi let QR, vec prvi put bez usputnog stopa. QR ima ozbiljan plan za BEG, krenuli su u ozbiljnu kampanju i napad na EY putnike. Imaju super podrsku iz DOH, veliki budzet i dobru strategiju. Ja ne brinem za njih.
DeleteQR's loads keep on improving. It's not easy for them given the size of the local market and all of the airlines they have to compete with. Their brand awareness keeps on improving which should make it easier to fill those seats in the future.
Delete@anon 4:48 ti radiš tamo pa znaš ili reklamiraš QR? :D šalu na stranu, sve najbolje QR, poboljšanje kvalitete ponude je dobro za sve!
Delete"QR ima ozblijan plan za BEG"
DeleteWhat does that mean? They just started 4 p/w direct, but ZAG will be or is already at 10 p/w.
Razlika izmedju trzista u ZAG i BEG je ogromna... Ne znam sta ocekujes da rade u BEG?
Deleteif you are the guy who said what was quoted above then you still did not answer my question
DeleteHow on earth can you compare BEG and ZAG when Belgrade has far more competition to the east:
DeleteAeroflot: 14x
Turkish Airlines: 14x
Etihad: 7x
Air Serbia to AUH: 7x
Flydubai: 4x
Pegasus: 4x
JU to SVO: 7x
Qatar: 4x
All of these are competing for some of the same passengers. That's quite a lot of capacity for an airport the size of Belgrade.
Aviatica is so full of typos... Where is the Qeshm Air flight supposed to operate tomorrow? It's not listed on beg.aero
DeleteWas it supposed to though? I remember reading that it was supposed to happen by the end of March.
DeleteSo that is 61 weekly flights from BEG
DeleteIn same time ZAG has
7x Aeroflot
14x Turkish
5x flyDubai
2x Croatia to LED
10x Qatar
1x Korean
38 flights, but you have to know that there is
35x Croatia + Lufthansa to FRA
28x Croatia + Lufthansa to MUC
33x Croatia + Austrian to VIE
where most of connection to East come throw.
@Anonymous 10:40 PM
DeleteWhat do you mean? It's showing as arriving at 02:30 on March 18 on BEG website, using gate C1A:
QB 2251 Tehran Imam Khomeini 02:30 (18.03.) 02:30 (18.03.) C1A Airbus A300-600 On time
http://www.beg.aero/en/strana/13181/%D0%94%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%99%D0%B8-%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B0?flightId=81
@Anonymous March 17, 2016 at 1:59 AM
DeleteKorean???
Yeah but if you look at it like that then when it comes to BEG you also have to add 14 weekly to Rome and all the frequencies to Munich and Frankfurt since they do carry some Serbia-Asia passengers. We can even add Lot as well.
DeleteFinally, like I already mentioned, Belgrade is far more competitive given that the second set of frequencies you mentioned are all operated by one airline and its partner (LH/OS + OU).
Also, the 2 weekly to LED doesn't count as there are no onward connections being offered and as far as I remember KE operates charter flights, not scheduled ones.
If we could KE and OU to LED then we should also add JU to KBP (6x), IST (7x), WAW (7x) and so on.
DeleteKE is charter but if there would not be those flights passengers will use more Qatar, Lufthansa, Turkish, flyDubai connections from Seoul.
DeleteOf course, but if we go that far than you have LOT to ZAG, CSA to ZAG, even AF (14x) LX (20x) and BA (7x) for connections to Far East destinations.
I highly doubt anyone flies to the Far East from ZAG on AF or BA, even LX is pushing it a bit. Let's be realistic here.
DeleteThen should we also count the Qeshm charters to Belgrade or JU's 10x weekly to Prague and so on? If we start doing it then this discussion will become pointless despite BEG winning in the end. It's a well known fact that BEG is more competitive, nothing wrong with that.
This discussion is really going in funny direction. Belgrade indeed has more East oriented competition while Croatia as a whole enjoys more demand from that part of the world. Ultimately, life is easier for those carriers in Croatia as competition is currently lower and demand higher.
DeleteASL croatian coast in S16:DBV 7p/w,SPU 6p/w,PUY 5p/w
ReplyDeleteMontenegro TIV 30p/w,PGD 21p/w
Sorry TGD 21p/w
DeleteI guess thanks to the freed up Atr, no?
DeleteI do not know,there will be mix of airbus and atr on the routes.
DeleteNemjee what do you think there will be more new lines of ASL this summer season?
I don't know but in my opinion the introduction of HAM was a great move. Lots of potential when it comes to the Balkans. I still hope that at some point they will think of NUE since there is a massive ex-YU population there. It's a shame that they decided against the Western frequency increases that were previously announced.
DeleteFrequencies to where if the rest of the network isn't expanded? They tried last year, it didn't work. Period. Only fools don't learn from their mistakes.
DeleteFrom where is ASL getting all the capacity? dont be like JATBEGMEL or the other JAT something guy and say its all 1 atr that was freed
DeleteNUE su mogli predloziti AB da leti sa Q400 i da onda leti jos npr BEG-PRN-BEG .
DeleteINN-NS
Actually a great idea INN-NS. It was already said that JU will not fly in AirSerbia logo to PRN, so the only other option is Aviolet which has too big capacity for the start or CRJ from Adria which is already occupied for HAM, KPB, and SOF routes.
Deleteplus of course you cannot go wrong with German routes really since they have sufficient point to point traffic unlike some other markets
DeleteJa bi i STR prepustio AB sa Q400 da se oslobi jedan A319 za ESB ili IKA .
DeleteINN-NS
Why should JU rely on an airline that might not be around in a few months? AB is welcome to code-share but Air Serbia should distance itself from them as much as it can. When it comes to North America they have Alitalia, KLM, Air France... in addition to their own flights.
DeleteIt's a shame JU didn't get some of the A319/320 from Alitalia when EY bought them, the same way that leech Air Berlin did.
Anon 16.05
Well, all of these increases are taking place during the time when one Atr is freed from SOF while the rest will most likely get Aviolet. Unless a new aircraft arrives there is no way in which they can do it without them.
"Why should JU rely on an airline that might not be around in a few months?"
DeleteWhy makes you think this will happen? I am not familiar with what is happening with AB nowadays, so could you give some more info
Air Berlin's performance has been going from bad to worse. They are collapsing under their own weight. Their planes are full but their costs are just too high.
DeleteAlso, for the longest time now they couldn't figure out what kind of airline they want to be. One day they were a legacy then tomorrow they switched to lowcost then they wanted to be a hybrid and so on.
To make a bad situation worse, Ryanair is attacking them from all sides and they have been retreating for quite some time. NUE is a great example of how AB gets replaced by FR.
Even though they did make some progress, it seems that it's too little too late.
I see, thanks for the info!
DeleteAB sigurno nece propasti uskoro a to je brza opcija nabavke letilica pred sezonu.
DeleteINN-NS
They will unless they find a way to finance themselves since Etihad can no longer throw money their way. Just like Adria, they are experiencing liquidity issues.
DeleteWith Eurowings slowly taking off and both Ryanair and easyJet expanding they are running out of time.
Svaka čast cijelom timu AS i BEG na ovako velikom uspjehu.Za svaku je pohvalu da u relativno brzom roku dobiju dozvolu i naprave ovakav pomak u jednoj maloj zemlji i jednom malom aerodromu kao šta je Srbija i Beograd. Mnogi od nas jedva čekaju taj Jun 23 da ispratimo taj prvi let do JFK-a. E da onaj momak šta je pre četiri dana napisao da dozvola neće doći ni za naredne dvije godine, baš mi je žao da ti se želja nije ostvarila.
ReplyDeleteSad je taj "poznavaoc prilika" manji od makovog zrna. Sve ista bagra. Pljuju dok vise pluvati nemaju, pa onda pljuju na suvo. Najboje ih je ignorisati. Nek se sad krckaju u sopstvenoj zavisti.
DeleteGood start and smooth skies!!! Off topic but where are APG and APH?... They are not flying for several days already!?!
ReplyDeleteAPG is getting the wifi antenna, about APH I don't know
DeleteOT (or maybe not as it is linked to JU new routes):
ReplyDeleteAir Serbia's flight to OHD start on June 15th, three times a week Monday (12.35), Wednesday (13.25) & Friday (12.35).
AlexLondon
Announced yesterday ;)
DeleteAir Serbia destinations will be served by a fleet of 22 aircraft, including leased CRJ900 and A330. Number of Air Serbia passengers in 2016 will get close to 3 million. Combined, two airports in Serbia will have more than 5 million passengers this year.
ReplyDeleteWell dear air serbia cheerleaders prepare yourselves for many -many delays this summer!!!
DeleteRadujem se ovoj liniji, ali sa jednim avionom tesko da ce to biti profitabilno. Druga stvar dok ne krenu letovi iz Chikaga, Bostona i Detroita gde zivi vecina nase dijaspore isto tako nece biti profita
ReplyDeleteNice!
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