With just a month to go until Air Serbia launches services from Belgrade to New York, Nikola Tesla Airport is preparing to handle its first transatlantic flights in twelve years, with Uzbekistan Airways being the last to operate the route in 2004. The majority of the airport's preparations have cantered around improving security measures and technology, with a number of infrastructural upgrades to follow. Earlier this month the airport received eighteen explosive trace detectors (ETD) in line with standards prescribed by the United States Transportation Security Administration. Furthermore, the airport has upgraded its two existing explosive detectors, is in the process of purchasing new x-ray machines for hand luggage, body scanners and security cameras, while its staff have undergone additional training to deal with safety issues, handling firearms, as well as passenger screening.
The airport has completed tender procedures for the upgrade of its cargo storage facility, which it says is necessary due to the upcoming service to the States, as well as increased freight transport. Furthermore, it has completed tender procedures for the installation of a visual docking guidance system (VDGS) for the remaining four gates that do not feature the technology (A6 - A10). The VDGS is an electronic display system placed at the gate, allowing pilots to park their aircraft with greater precision and safety. In addition, the airport has recently begun using the Baggage Reconciliation System (BRS), which has become a critical function for airlines and airports following the September 11 attacks and ensures that no baggage is loaded on to a plane without a corresponding passenger. Additionally, it provides a number of functions to meet the demands of ground traffic control and airlines.
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| Preparations to expand the Terminal 2 building are advancing |
Belgrade Airport's General Manager, Saša Vlaisavljević, has previously said, “We have a long tradition of handling long haul flights. In 1989, five wide-body aircraft were regularly handled during the rush hour period, heading to the United States and Australia. This is not a problem for Belgrade Airport or our logistics”. Despite this, the airport has begun work on overhauling its Terminal 1 building, with construction currently being carried out on expanding the check-in area. Furthermore, the airport plans to introduce a baggage claim area at Terminal1, which has up until now been housed only at Terminal 2. Plans to expand the Terminal 2 building by adding a further 11.000 square metres has advanced. With construction originally planned to begin in December 2015 and completed in August 2016, the airport now says the project is undergoing technical controls and work is expected to commence this year. The new sphere-shaped wing of the terminal will feature four passenger boarding bridges, primarily intended for larger, wide-body aircraft. The construction of a de-icing platform, to be located near the runway, is expected to start soon with all technical checks completed and a contractor selected. The new de-icing platform aims to reduce holdover time and speed up aircraft movement during winter. The platform will cover an area of 20.500 square metres.
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Ryanair je povečao godišnji profit (njima financijska godina završava 31. ožujka) za čak 43% na 1,24 milijardi EUR.
Stoga kompanija planira uči u RAT sa cijenama (doslovce su uporabili riječ "rat"), te ozbiljno smanjiti cijene ove zime kako bi povečali udio u tržištu. Cijene će pasti za 7% na razini cijele godine, te 10 do 12% tijekom zime, a zbog čega Ryanair planira imati bitno manji profit u idućoj godini. Kao razultat toga kompanija kani povečati broj putnika za 9% na 116 milijuna. Ovu izjavu treba gledati u kontekstu napada na Wizzair i easyJet koji je krenuo ovog proljeća, a baziranje aviona u bazama ova dva prijevoznika, uz ulaganje osjetnih sredstava u dumping svakako će biti ogroman problem za easyJet, a, bojim se, nepremostiv za Wizzair.
OU 320, Arkia 3x 757-300, SunDor 737-800;
BA A321 G-MEDF
Condor training with 757-300 in Pula, D-ABOE.
1. EXTREMELY URGENT
Deicing zone!!!! It must be finish till October as it is really big problem during winter, and bottleneck of the airport.
2.VERY URGENT - to start immediately in September and finish it till February 2017
Renewal of A6-A10 gates which are in very bad shape
Open at least 4 new bus gates on ground level for turboprops and smaller planes
Modernization and bigger capacity in luggage sorting
3. URGENT (to open till March 2018)
At least 6 more bus gates in ground level (it would be 12 of them at the end)
More space for shops, bars and restaurants in 3rd floor on top of A concourse.
Face lifting of terminal.
4. After all of those urgent and not so expensive constructions I would:
open C concourse extension with 4 more gates (C7-C10), much more space for shops and bars as it should be much bigger than rest of C concourse
Open more bus gates in ground floor within new C6-C10 concourse
Finish 3rd floor from A concourse to C concourse.
In same time it is more than urgent that BEG opens (that is something they should do with private investors, concessions, contracts etc.):
- regular bus lines to:
# Novi Sad - Subotica
# Pančevo - Vršac
# Smederevo - Niš - Leskovac - Vranje
# Kragujevac - Kraljevo - Čačak - Užice
- to open tender for private investor to open hotel inside Airport area
- to solve problem with taxi drivers
- to open new small business terminal for private jets with all luxury they can have (congress area, business center, garage, hangar for plane embarkation to come with car directly to plane indoors...)
https://www.instagram.com/p/BFUQbPAJopz/?hl=en
gate A1
- it is on corner, more space,
- maybe in same time A2 or C1 gate can be use and there is no need for them to close, especially if they reorganize space and put this gate of 45 degrees parking position
gate C5-C6
- that would close one gate,
- but it is one space, and one big waiting room,
- in same time it is at the end (C concourse is not very wide) and you don't want biggest plane at the end but at the center of airport not to move too many people around and not to let them make crowd
Postoji linija iz Novog Sada.
Hotel moze da gradi ko god pozeli. Niko se nije javio.
It is not convenient that there have not Belgrade to Pristina links
I often go to Belgrade.
that's not cool his
Also, as all flights are now international, this baggage claim area would have to house incoming passport control and customs as well, which wasn't the case when this area was in use prior to 1992 - as these were domestic arrivals.
It took two years but it’s finally coming to life. Small but important step to keep LF higher and BEG-JFK route sustainable.
Pozdrav,
ATCO
On inauguration flight to LIS there was 97 passengers, Croatia CEO said that sailing is much better than expected, they plan to have 12.000 passengers on route, and that OU is reconsider to make that route all year instead of seasonal.
They could always park it on C6 and C7 stands and board passengers from gate C6. The Atrs could be moved to the B position plus C9 and C10.
# ozbiljno štete imageu BEG koji si isti ne bi smio dozvoliti
# smanjuju prihode BEG
# smanjuju prihode države
Stvar se može jednostavno riješiti sa jednim od dva sustava:
# policija, inspekcije, financijska policija, aerodromsko osiguranje, racije... - nakon par mjeseci intenzivne kontrole divlji taksisti se "obeshrabre" i nestanu
# sustav taksija poput Gatwicka gdje aerodrom ima službu za taksije (kućice gdje unaprijed naručiš i platiš taksi koji ima licencu aerodroma za obavljanje djelatnosti, dobiš voučer i broj taksija, a onima koji tu licencu nemaju ne dozvoljava se ulaz u aerodrom)
Što se hotela tiće ne kažem da je to prioritet, no uz malo bolji angažman (ponude hotelijerima, prezentacije potencijala poglavito od kada je BEG postao transferni hub, bolja lokacija (unutar samog aerdoroma, tj. direktna povezanost sa terminalom), dodatne mogućnosti (restoran, kongresni centar, sobe za odmor posada od nekoliko sati...), smanjeni apetiti (tj. realnost, a ne megalomanija - što ne krenuti sa manjim hotelom od 50-kreveta u prvoj fazi umjesto par stotina), iznači modalitete poticaja (aerodrom na tome ne treba u početku zarađivati, jer je to "must" ako se stvarno želi napraviti tranzitni hub), tj. sa malo više truda pronašao bi se investitor (BEG ima mnogo hotela, pa i privatnih, a neki od njih bi se sigurno upustili u investiciju ako bi ista bila realna).
Ako postoji linija za Novi Sad, što se ne produži za Suboticu? Konačno, što ista nije promovirana na stranicama BEG? U autobusnim linijama navodi se linija A1, GSP linije 72 i 607 (za 607 još uvijek nema reda vožnje), ali baš nigdje se ne navodili linija za Novi Sad!!!! Kako ću ja ko potencijalni putnik to znati? Aerdrom mora napraviti sustav linija, nači koncesionara (koji preuzima i rizik), napraviti perone uz sam izlazak iz aerodroma, promovirati linije na svojim stranicama i bilbordima na aerodromu, te svim publikacijama (v. primjer Beča). Ovako neka stihijska linija nije rješenje.
One can see that on present situation A1 can not be used for anything bigger than B767. But that can be change. I am not familiar with regulation, but common sense and experience from other airports show me that usually gates on corners are on 45 degrees and on that way they make space for bigger plane on position like that.
BEG has changed since the last time JAT had a base of 5 DC10's at the airport. They waybwe travel has changed and so have the aircraft. The A330 has a larger wingspan than that of the A300's and DC10's.
Currently the best gates for the A330 is C5/C6 due to the larger gate area. BEG isnt a large so going from A10 to C6 isnt such a long walk, as can be the case in other airports. What is good is that the transfer desk is in the middle, located between gates A1 and C1.
https://www.facebook.com/croatiaairlines/photos/pcb.1323122637701988/1323121431035442/?type=3&theater
What interests me is if renovating BEG would be too expensive and if its not more viable to just build a new terminal and demolish the old to use the space to extend the new terminal, ie having the new terminal built in phases with the possibility to extend. BEG was never intended to be a transfer hub. Times have changed and in peak times the transit area can get busy. Arrivals is a zoo, and the low ceilings give a bit of a claustrophobic feel.
A hotel I would not worry about for many years. New Belgrade is close to a variety of hotels, some closer than those say around CDG. Many hotels off complimentary transfer. It takes 10-15 mins to get to hotels such as Crowne Plaza, Hyatt, Holiday Inn, Radison Blu. Arrivals needs to be expanded to allow better short term bays for busses and taxi's, which would also accomodate these hotel shuttles.
Something that has been talked about is extending the rail line to the airport as its roughly 7km of new track needed. BG:Voz would be a very convenient thing, allowing quick transfer to other services (new bus terminal in New Belgrade, Belgrade Central Station) as well as other areas of Belgrade. The services would be frequent and just an addition to existing services.
Taxi I agree is a huge problem. Regardless of the police presence, the illegal drivers carry on with business as usual. Voucher system sort of works, however this can be misused ie expensive vouchers given for short drives etc.
Ne poznajete dovoljno situaciju sa divljim taksistima na BEG. Oni su jači od grada, od države, od svega. Kada bi Srbija sutradan postala članica EU ili 51. članica SAD oni bi opet ostali i opstali na BEG i niko ne bi mogao da ih ukloni. Jedan od najvećih fenomena u Srbiji koja je inače zemlja fenomena.
Basically I also agree that in this moment C5-6 is the best option. As I said it is one area enough for A330 when you use it as one gate. Of course new C6-C10 gates (as today C6 is basically extension of C concourse and should be removed in case of "new" C6-C10 gates) should be long-haul gates. That should be enough for BEG in next several years (5 gates + one more possibility in A1). But till then BEG should use C5+C6 and should try to change A1 into long-haul gate (more space for waiting + 45 degrees position what should open possibility to park long-haul without closing A2 and C1. Two long-haul gates should be enough for next 2 years, shouldn't it?
But I wonder why BEG did not do that earlier. To change A1 into long-haul and to open 4 more bus gates in ground level (what should open possibility to use C5+C6 combined for long-haul) is so small investment and simple solution that I can not understand why they did not do that few months ago, especially that they knew long-haul route will start this summer.
Ovo sa taksi vozačima mi je apsolutno katastrofalno, iako nije nevjerovatno, poznavši situaciju u srbiji. Mislim da je ovo vruči krumpir i stanovita mjera socijalne politike (žmiri se na sivu ekonomiju da bi se omogučilo ljudima da preživljavaju). Ali, iskreno, baš je vrlo neugodno kada navale na tebe i vuku te za rukav i kada doslovce bježiš sa terminala da te ne gnjave. U tom prostoru ne stajem ni za živu glavu koliko su naporni. I to ne jedan-dva nego deseci njih. Ako se trebam iole zadržavati na aerdodromu bježim na prvi kat ili na parkiralište pa se tamo pozdravljam sa prijateljima ili odradim neki kraći sastanak. A o tome što sada mislim nakon ovog natpisa "da su jači od države" bolje da ni ne govorim. Nimalo motivirajuće za mene da dođem u državu i tamo se osječam sigurno ili poželjno za poslovnjake i investicije ako su taksisti jači od države i to se ne može riještiti. Pitam se onda, koliko državom "vladaju" bitno jače lobističke grupacije i veliki trgovci, te ozbiljnije i organiziranije kriminalne skupine i mafija, ako su taksisti toliko močni.
it was located between 'Baggage sorting', 'A4a/A4b' gates, and Terminal 1 check-in area. It's colored in red.
I have a question for you. (OT)
We have seen a war in Ex-Yu region between FR and W6. There are small airports served by those two airlines. I wonder if there is some serious possibility that either of those airlines decides to start serving Maribor airport (MBX)? What are the chances for MBX to get LCC flights? If any?
Best regards,
Haplek
1. KLM: 738
2. BA: 321
3. Arkaia: 753
4. El Al: 752 x 2
5. TK: 321 x 2
Today's flights by TK/KLM are by no means "a rarity", but it's just nice to see 7 bigger planes in one day. Certainly a progress for ZAG.
Also maybe in winter we see BEG to TYO or PEK!!
rešenje je voz, i to tunel Bežanija-Aerodrom-Batajnica, s tim da svi međugradski vozovi idu tim putem
The easiest solution would be to expand the A10 area. That whole part of the airport is an extension that rests on columns. There is room behind to expand the terminal building so as to create a normal widebody gate.
Unfortunately BEG wasn't built to handle a great number of transfer passengers. It's layout is the main problem.
Sad ce biti resenje kada Flixbus dodje u Srbiju verovatno ce imati i stop na Aerodromu.
INN-NS
which goes back to my question,
is it more cost effective in the long run to just build a new terminal in phases where the new terminal replaces the old one, the old terminal is demolished to make way for another phase to extend the new terminal.
I'm sure there are some private shuttles, but this as Purger said is not visible on the website.
Bilo bi odlicno kad bi se uskoro pocelo sa gradnjom novog Terminala da ASL moze da se siri dalje .
INN-NS
INN-NS
However, nothing major will happen until the airport is privatized. That said, no private investor will be willing to spend millions of Euros until Air Serbia is stable and independent. The honeymoon phase is over and now we are going to be seeing first, independent results. I think that will also be a good indicator at how fast the government will find an investor for the airport.
1. Why they can not put A1 gate on 45 degree like in other airports?
2. Why they can not put Long haul plane in middle of A1 and A2 and use it as one gate (air bridge from A2) but space for A1+A2 combined
Best regards,
Haplek
The taxiway that would be blocked by parking the A330 at A1 is crucial when it comes to linking the C gate area with the rest of the airport.
Though A1 is one of the best gates, unfortunately it lacks the necessary space.
BEG is quite small and it lacks the space it needs to cater for all this growth.
The train will in this case link New Belgrade, Tošin Bunar and Zemun. New Belgrade station will be where the new central bus terminal will be located which would be convenient. Belgrade Central Station is the next stop after New Belgrade. In New Belgrade they could connect people to Novi Sad, Šid, Sremska Mitrovica, Indjija, Pazova and Subotica, while in Belgrade Central to Niš, Užice etc
Next to New Belgrade station there is a couple of hotels as well as Kombank Arena is within walking distance.
Currently the GSP bus is slow, going theough Ledine, Bežanijska Kosa and New Belgrade before getting to Zeleni Venac market (~45 mins). The bus can be quite full and is I think every 20 min.
As Emirates does with stopover in Milan.
3x a week would be enough with feed from Air Serbia.
i dont understand how the most simpliest solution is always the one that is refused the most.
Do those with Etihad have brain cells at all ?
What aviation terms were used?
You can travel via Hong Kong if you want to JFK, point is that the choice is there. Remember that JU and EY share their frequent flier program, which is linked to AB and AZ. Its a huge customer base once the codeshares come in. This will leave options for these frequent fliers to keep to the respective programs rather than go to say LH because they had more options.
Also Emirates is probably the only airline in the world that could make such a route work.
Dont forget that many of EKs flights are only profitable because of freight loads.
If you can fill a 747 400 three times a week with meat package only like with Tuzla then you can imagine what options there are else in freight business.
I think this table will be of help for you to get an idea of gate spaces.
http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m517/trlababalan1/aerodrom/Capture_zpsueptdtir.png
Here is as well charts for BEG, although most is not relevant for this conversation.
http://www.scgvacc.net/download/charts/LYBE.pdf
tacno odredjenim cenama do Beg koje su inace 30% vise od onih koje meri taksimetar. Toliko gradske vlasti misle o dobrobiti gradjana.
every business is there for the money. why else do you think airlines do what they do, add features. for more money. but there is more to it, just i didnt know I needed to bring colour pencils and paper to draw the explanation.
As for AB, I dont think their yields were low because EY was funneling them pax rather more their general bad situation and a lack of or crappy business model. JU has been generating its own traffic for JFK for now, and im sure their frequent flier base has help a bit but it needs codeshares and a boost from its partners which I think will hear more of soon. I wouldnt be surprised to see A3 and AZ to add their codes.
I can immediately think of at least three (SOF, OTP, SJJ). And that's just the immediate neighbourhood.
Speaking of which, I also think that it's a legalised rip-off that passengers arriving at ZAG can only take taxis from Velika Gorica and therefore pay much more for a ride to Zagreb than in the other direction.
Also, you will not see A3 code on JU's JFK flights, because STAR alliance only allows each of its carriers up to 5% of its ASKs (ie. capacity), to have codeshare on carriers who are not STAR Alliance carriers. Given the distance involved, it would take up too much of A3's ASK allowance.
It does not however, prevent both carriers from having an interline agreement with JU - which they both do
kad ćete više naučiti da su "doći će" dve odvojene reči, a ne "doce"...
Ne volim da ispravljam ljude i da se pravim pametan, ali ovu greškuj INN ponavlja bar 10-ak puta...
worldwide load factor og IATA airlines was 41 and 43% in Feb and March. We are faced with massive overcapaciy on too many routes. For example Europe-North Americas during SUTT. WITT different picture as all the extra seasonal capacity disappears and US carriers cut add frequencies in Nov, Jan and Feb
EK is probably making some good money on Pharma shpts in general plus freight to Australia plus CAI IKA and some Africa destinations
But big parts of Asia are just moneybreakers
I never take Velika Gorica taxi. Because of principles, I hate someone rape me. I order one of Zagreb taxis, usually one driver I always use (and he pick me in front of terminal with all signs) or just wait 2-3 minutes for one to show (bring passenger from Zagreb) and get in (he usually make one more circle and take all signs out) what I don't care. But you will not see me in VG taxi.
INN-NS
"JU should generate its own passengers"
That's the plan, O&D and JU regional feed will generate most passengers. EY and AB codeshares are just to add more passengers. Hopefully future AA codeshare could add a few more. Yield is not a top priority for a first year of operations mate, and will be dealt with in subsequent years.
@Anon at 8:57
Purchasing power of "average serbian" does not matter much. Financing for most tickets will come from diaspora, for both trips originating from JFK and VFR (visiting friends and family) trips originating from BEG. Diaspora will send money and pay to have relatives fly (direct) from BEG to JFK. Add cargo revenue, add business passengers, diplomatic traffic, some tourists, Ey/AB codeshare transfer passengers and thin but rich class in Serbia (and the region) that can afford it, and your concern for purchasing power of "average serbian" as a key for success of this route is largely irrelevant.
El Al don't have 757 anymore... May be it's something else.