Adria Airways suspends three routes


Adria Airways has quietly discontinued three of its routes out of Ljubljana, with services to Bucharest, Kiev and Warsaw no longer operational or on sale. The airline advertised the three destinations in its recent winter season line-up just two weeks ago, but has since updated its press release, removing all mention of the three points from its network. Flights to Kiev and Warsaw were to run three times per week this winter, while Bucharest was to be maintained twice weekly. As a result, Ljubljana Jože Pučnik Airport will no longer be linked with Kiev and Bucharest, while LOT Polish Airlines continues to maintain daily flights between the Polish and Slovenian capitals, with the route codeshared by Adria.

Flights between Kiev and Ljubljana were launched last winter season, while services to Bucharest were inaugurated in March together with a further six other new destinations. Of those seven, only two have made it to this year's winter schedule - Dusseldorf and Sofia. Services to Warsaw were introduced in 2014, prior to LOT's arrival, with the latter quickly upping frequencies and capacity on its Ljubljana flights. The long-term fate of the three discontented routes is unknown as neither is yet on sale for the 2019 summer season, which will begin on the last day of March next year. Adria has wet-leased a number of its aircraft this winter, including three Airbus A319s to Lufthansa (all of which will leave Ljubljana by mid-December), three Saab 2000s to Swiss, two Bombardier jets to Austrian, and one to Luxair, whose lease contract has been extended until the end of next year.

Commenting on the suspensions, Adria said, "Taking into the account available capacities and given circumstances, we decided to further optimise our operations with the start of the winter season and decided not to continue flying to these three destinations at the moment, namely Bucharest, Kiev and Warsaw. Our long-term goal remains growth, but we want to keep it sustainable and stable and our services reliable and safe".

Adria Airways' Chief Commercial Officer, Christian Schneider, recently said the airline must be "smart" when growing in the future. "We are open to new opportunities and cooperation, but we need to be smart when growing. Before opening a new route, we always focus on a detailed analysis that shows us which markets and destinations could be interesting and sustainable for the company". He added, "We are interested in a destination on the Iberian peninsula in the southwest of Europe, a point in Italy, and more further afield we are looking at Dubai. So far, we have decided to strengthen links between Western and Central Europe with the Balkan region". The Slovenian carrier will take on a further three Bombardier CRJ900 aircraft in 2019 after signing an agreement with lessor Regional One to acquire the jets earlier this year.

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  1. Odd. If they were planning these routes for winter and suddenly cancel them, what could be the reason?

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    1. Hmmm let me guess, no one was buying tickets?

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    2. But it's just odd because they had Kiev last winter and during the summer and they also planned it for this winter and then they just drop it.

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    3. well if you lose money, you cancel the worst performing routes first.

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    4. Flight crew shortage.

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    5. I believe they were a bit too optimistic. They probably realized their brand image and perception is worsening. So they can't afford cancelling flights anymore. Therefore, they had to cut some routes. At least I hope that's the reason.

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    6. I doubt flight crew shortage is the issue. If it was, the flights would be on sale for next summer but they are not, they have been completely removed from the schedule.

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  2. Let's hope at least that this helps resolve their flight cancellations since they will no longer be operating 8 weekly flights.

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    1. Seems it might. No cancellations planned for today so far.

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    2. Not really. Dusseldorf this morning was cancelled, yesterday afternoon Sofia. Despite discontinued routs still with problems in Ljubljana. It seems lack of crews might be the reason since all the Saabs are not flying and in lots of cases one or even two CRSs are parked in Ljubljana while their flights are cancelled.

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    3. It is not possible to get crews for SAABs - no one has the type rating. Those planes were leased as part of a money funneling scheme, since the company who is leasing them is connected to 4K.

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    4. What is this mess?

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    5. Mess on number of fronts - unreliable old aircraft (saabs), crew shortage, money shortage, passenger shortage... take your pic. That's what happens when you sell an airline to a company that has never run an airline.

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  3. Oh doesn't matter. Good thing we have flights from Paderborn instead.

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    1. They are always on time from Paderborn and there is no technical issues with Saab stationed there. Also flights from Lugano for Swiss are operated as scheduled. So, we have very reliable ACMI operator and a total mess with regular service from their main hub.

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    2. Well Anon 09:23 check the facts - Lugano-Zurich flights operated only for 3 days, now Austrian is back with DHC8 and Saab is quietly sitting in ZUR. No reason known so far, but something went wrong.

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    3. bojo kmalu spet začel letet za swiss

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    4. @Anon 9.35 not surprised. Those Saabs have been very unreliable since they have been at LJU. Lots of mechanical problems.

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  4. Regarding to Bucharest it is great news for JU as it offers best connection between LJU and OTP

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    1. It's slightly faster to go with JP to VIE and then with OS to OTP. Plus you don't have to ride on a 25-year old turboprop.

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    2. If you are taking morning flight then it is slightly faster to fly with JU and if you are taking later OS flight you arrive to OTP earliest at 18.00h
      The portion with ATR takes only 1 hour LJU-BEG
      Not to mention that JU is much cheaper and usually flies with A319 to OTP ( I took approx. dates 05-07.12).

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    3. Transfer flying times and total journey time from both OTP and SOF is shorter compared to JU.
      Passengers would enjoy CRJ compared to ATR but JU has more destinations to offer and now free food, which is not so nice news for JP.

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    4. 5.12.2018
      LJU-BEG-OTP 4:35h
      LJU-VIE-OTP 4:45h

      There is a possibility to fly only 4h but in that case you land in OTP at 22:55h. Not sure if it is convinient especially for business travellers

      7.12.2018
      OTP-BEG-LJU 4:45h
      OTP-VIE-LJU 4:00h

      JU price 250,-EUR
      OS price 480,- EUR

      LJU-BEG-SOF 4:45h
      LJU-VIE-SOF 4:40h

      Again. there is a possibility to fly only 4h but in that case you land in SOF at 22:55h. Not sure if it is convinient especially for business travellers

      SOF-BEG-LJU 4:50h
      SOF-VIE-LJU 5:00h

      JU price 190 EUR
      OS price 500 EUR

      I would surely chooose JU

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    5. Or one or two hours by car (depends which city in Slovenia) to ZAG, and than nonstop to OTP for 160 euro return on Croatia Airlines

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    6. So if there is a great news for anyone here, it would be OU

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    7. OU only flies to Bucharest during the summer.

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    8. So what? It's still good news for OU during 7 months of summer timetable when people travel more and prices are higher, and that's precisely why they fly it summer only, along with plenty of other routes

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    9. I highly doubt anyone is interested to fly to Zagreb only to have to drive afterwards for longer than the actual flight took them. Account into that the price of parking a car somewhere for days, or paying for private transport, waiting at the boarder etc.

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    10. Exactly.
      You can never be sure what is going to be the situation on the roads, how long you will need to get to ZAG, how long you will be waiting on the border (once going there and once on the way back to Slovenia) etc.
      And now winter season comes...During that season BEG and VIE offer the best connections from LJU to OTP with the fact that JU is much cheaper.
      ZAG is not on the map.

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    11. Finally someone who is thinking out of the box and not looking just ticket cost!
      + 100

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    12. But of course. If you go from LJU via BEG or VIE, it cannot happen that you have jammed road, you don't need to park at LJU and pay for parking, or the other way round, friend cannot take you and return your car, not only to LJU but for example to Novo Mesto, Celje, Maribor and so on. How much you are wrong shows the number of cars with Slovenia plates parked at ZAG. But when OU and ZAG are in question, when seasonality didn't work out, than let's try something else, cause, hey, somebody dared to say there is quicker, more convenient and cheaper way than JU. Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic

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    13. ^you just don't get it. And you are comparing "jammed roads" between Ljubljana city centre and Ljubljana airport to possible traffic between Ljubljana and Zagreb with a boarder crossing. And no one says people from Slovenia don't use Zagreb, but I'm highly doubtful you will see an onslaught of passengers from Bucharest. This route was suspended by the way because of a lack of P2P passengers in the first place. Croatia Airlines could certainly pick up transfer passengers in the summer (depending on how the flights are timed).

      I would suggest you think a bit rationally. Not everything is related to nationalism. deal with complexes elsewhere

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    14. And btw we are probably talking about 5 P2P passengers per sector here. What gives OS or JU an advantage is that they actually fly this route during winter and their flight times are such that they can connect passengers to western europe (this was the only reason this route was introduced by JP in the first place) not because of the 'massive' demand between Ljubljana and Bucharest which you suddenly think people will flock with their cars to Zagreb when for the same duration those couple of passengers flying between LJU and OTP can connect through Vienna or Belgrade within an hour of landing and reach their final destination without having to drive, cross land and airport boarders, pay tolls and pay parking etc. But you are right, maybe their friends drive them. The nonsense some people write here just to prove how they are better or superior in some way without using any logic is astounding.

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    15. And one final note, Croatia Airlines does not operate this route for the entire summer season. Flights start in May.

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    16. Ah, ok, now I got it, if it's via ZAG, than it's 5 per flight, if it's via VIE (BEG deliberately omitted), than it's 50, maybe even 500. However it's always nice hearing from the fanboys you talk nonsense. Cheers!

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    17. No you obviously haven't got it at all. Coming from the person who suggested that driving between Ljubljana city centre and Ljubljana Airport is the same as driving between Ljubljana and Zagreb, I'm not surprised. My assumption is that travel between point to point Ljubljana to Bucharest is very low whether you transfer through BELGRADE (hope you got that) BELGRADE, Vienna or the moon. I suggest you go deal with your complexities and nationalism first. Goodbye.

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    18. Anonymous6 November 2018 at 20:50
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  5. Were they hoping no one would notice?

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    1. lol seems like it.

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    2. I wonder how many people they have had to rebook. A guy wrote here just a few days ago he had a flight from Bucharest to some western European destination with JP via LJU in a couple of weeks.

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    3. All of this costs the airline. If they planned to suspend these flights they should have closed reservations from W18/19 at least a month ago. They have already paid millions in compensation to people for delayed or cancelled flights this year.

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  6. Fighting against WIZZ and Rynair with a more expensive one stop in LJU is not so clever.

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  7. Seems they lost out against LOT on the Warsaw route. Shame.

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    1. Same will happen on Moscow route against Aeroflot unfortunately.

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    2. Yes, same story with JU on other BEG-WAW route.

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    3. I never understood this. Shouldn't Star Alliance member cooperate more and not compete against each other on the same routes if the market is limited?

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    4. Probably. Aeroflot already used A320 twice in a last few days, on the other hand Adria is now flying with CRJ700 instead of planned CRJ900.

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    5. The first indication was Adria introducing free checked in luggage for lowest fare on Moscow flights. It indicates their bookings have been affected.

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    6. Same thing happened with all ex-Yu airlines on flights to Istanbul. Turkish butchered them on the routes.

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    7. As far as you ask me, it's better to get other carriers doing their job correctly from LJU to major hubs. Also ticket prices are more affordable. Can't wait that Lufthansa takes over routes like FRA and MUC - no more ridiculous "codeshare" connecting JP+LH flights where adria still wants to get as much money as they would for P2P passenger.

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    8. JP prices FRA-LJU are poisonly expensive!

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  8. We can assume these were the three worst performing routes in their network.

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    1. Waw and Otp were but kbp was doing well....

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    2. It's not just about load factors about about finances. KBP might have been doing well load wise but its a long flight with a long rotation and the prices tickets were sold at probably couldn't cover the route's expenses.

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    3. That was supposed to say *but about finances

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  9. That's substantial.

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  10. Smart decision ! Greetings fm ZRH (last weekend 2 flights cancelled..)

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    1. absolute smart decision. there is no profitable market to KBP ex LJU. WAW is covered by LO and OTP with two weekly flights makes no sense. Adria should focus to run the important destinations without cancellations and keep that schedule stable. they cancelled my flight ex ZRH last saturday, had to rebook me via VIE and will still pay 250 EUR compensation. That def. makes no sense

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    2. finally some smart words coming from JP Management.... greetings JU520 BEGLAX

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    3. @10.21 that's crazy for Adria but turned out good for you, unless you had to wait too long for your Vienna flight.

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  11. Perhaps a chance for TAROM to start flights to LJU with their ATR42.

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    1. Adria was hoping to connect OTP with the like of FRA, CDG, AMS etc, without seeing that FR and W6 offer huge capacities for as much as 9€ . How on earth would the convince a pax to fly via LJU for 10x the price of a direct flight?? P2P demand is too thin here...

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    2. Agree with above anon. The P2P demand is low so I doubt even TAROM would make it work. Although I would have said the same about OTP-BEG but TAROM is flying something like 8 weekly flights on top of JU daily. So who knows.

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    3. Imaju pravi vec otplaceni avion atr42. Kad njega nestane bice tesko da drze tu liniju. To je problem mnogih aviokompanija u Evropi nestanak manjih komercijalnih aviona od 50 do 70 putnika koji mogu da se isplate na kracim linijama. Pun atr42 je tek malo profitabilan atr72.
      Prosle godine je narucen samo JEDAN Atr42.

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  12. So not they will have just 18 destination in winter :/ and 21 aircraft!

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    1. Half of the fleet is being wetleased.

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  13. If it means this is a way to get their finances in order then I support the move.

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  14. Have they also reduced frequencies on some routes?

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    1. No. Other routes are operating as planned.

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  15. This seems to have been a rash decision since just a week ago they were saying they would fly these routes.

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  16. Are Brac and Dubrovnik on sale for next summer?

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    1. Dubrovnik is, Brac isn't.

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    2. Brac was cancelled in September. Was supposed to run till October.

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    3. Dubrovnik Needs better departure days. Days 3,5 is not really ideal.
      Suggest 1,5,7 or even 1 3 5 7

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  17. So Warsaw went down from 5 per week last winter to 0. Wow.

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  18. Starting to get really worried about Adria.

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    1. Well, you're a bit late. The Austrian wet lease ends next month, no one knows what's happening with Swiss wet lease.

      And there is still no sign of those magical 10 million euros the CEO promised a week or two ago.

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  19. Considering what is going on with their finances, do you think they will add a destination in Spain and one in Italy next summer? And in Italy, Milan or Rome? (if...).

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    1. I guess we will know soon enough. Last year they announced their new routes for summer at the end of November.

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  20. The main problem for Adria is not having the right yield management and marketing.

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  21. JP still doesn't have the right fleet for its destinations.

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  22. This really does not look good.

    If 4K fails in Slovenia I do not think they will go after YM.

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    1. Of course they won't. I think they only plan to take YM if they can somehow find synergies it with JP.

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  23. Well, this is it, the implosion has begun - let's remind ourselves, just a couple of weeks ago the CEO was talking about acquiring new CRJ's next year, new routes, new ACMI deals, I was surprised he didn't promise trips to Mars. And now this. Plus, he promised 10 million euros of new capital - which was of course another lie. There is 0 chance Adria will make it through Decembre - zero!

    There is also an exodus of foreign FO's, whom they 'occasionaly' forget to pay, thus deepening their crewing issues. When the first supplier pulls the plug, it's game over for Adria.

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  24. This only shows, how tough is the airline environment out there...small airlines in particular must be very lean otherwise....KAPUT.

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  25. I believe Adria does not have more than 3 months left for bankruptcy. And with these fuel prices, Croatia Airlines and Air Serbia don't have more than 1-2 years for the same end. Tough times ahead, here comes the long expected consolidation of commercial aviation in Europe.

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    1. Air Serbia is here to stay, I wouldn't worry about them

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    2. In a real competition world without state aid neither Air Serbia nor OU would make it..

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    3. Do you really believe that LH, AF, KL, AZ and many others did not receive state's aid until they become so big?

      Once they became huge they invented that state's help is not anymore allowed.

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    4. Actually AZ has still been receiving state's support.
      Let's not talk about EK, EY, QR, TK and many many others

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    5. @1424

      Well, they still recieve state aid in one form or another. LH has an exclusive right to use one of the terminals in MUC for over 20 years - a friendly agreement between LH and the operator of MUC, they are of course not connected in any shape or form.

      RYR is living of municipal subsidies, which are just another name for state aid. Plus the European Comission is willingly blind to their tax, shall we say, scheme, their labour contracts etc.

      So yes, there is plenty of state aid to go around, you just have to come from the right country.

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    6. lol, LH co-build MUC's T2. its THEIR Terminal! svasta procitas

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  26. I am still shocked how Sofia is doing that well....no comments!

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    1. Seems to be working for JP and JU. To bad OU didn't join the party on time.

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  27. Everyone knows that with 4-coupon tickets to mostly ethnic destinations you can't make money. Get rid of the transit traffic and concentrate on point to point!

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    1. +100
      This is especially true for small airlines like the ones from ex-Yu. JU has/had the same issue.

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    2. To za JU ne vazi,oni imaju prekookeanske letove

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    3. Nemaju prekookeanske letove nego jedan jedini prekookeanski let za Njujork koji je uveden radi licne promocije Velikog Vodje i po njegovim recima pravi gubitke, dakle suprotno od onog sto tvrdis, jer je jedan let malo da se oko njega gradi mreza za feed

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    4. Више је него нула.

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  28. Some views very optimistic ,some more pessimistic, the truth i think lies in between these extremes. I think that 2019 will become T H E definitive year for JP in regard to its very existence. Even the so called better airlines will have a tough situation.

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    1. Mrcvarenje ce se jos malo nastaviti inace

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoBwRjCiHpQ&list=RDbo4apVcp4_U&index=2

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    2. I don't think Adria will see much of 2019.

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  29. Adria has the least competition out of all the ex-yu airlines. If they can't make it with such a monopoly then the market probably is too small.

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    1. There IS a reason, why there is much less competition in LJU. Because demand is not sufficient. hen egg problem...

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  30. Why no KBP anymore? Schedule was terrible but still this connection has potential.
    Many new international connections to various airports in Ukraine are scheduled.
    Few examples: Ernest will fly from Rome and Milan to Kharkiv from March 2019. Wizzair is starting London-Luton and Vienna to Kharkiv from this month.
    The second airport of Kiev: EV is booming with new flights (mostly low cost).
    Currently announced new destinations from EV (various airlines): Genoa, Barcelona, Poprad, Tbilisi, Billund, Bremen, Riga.
    So many destinations are already covered ex KBP.
    Why Adria can't make it. I can't get it.

    Will be KBP back in spring? Or is it the end? And that's it?

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    1. Sadly but JU failed in Ukraine too

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  31. This will probably impact LJU numbers.

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    1. Well in total it's a loss of 8 weekly flights compared to last winter (WAW was 5, Kiev 3 and Bucharest was not operated last winter). Then again there are foreign airlines that have increase or introduced new flights to LJU. We will see.

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    2. As far as foreign airlines go I think LOT increased flights, there are easy jet flights from Berlin and new Aeroflot flights, plus Adria's Dusseldorf and Sofia flights... if they don't suspend those as well.

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    3. Didn't Easyjet and Transavia also increase their frequencies?

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  32. Of course, ADRIA'S S5-AAX - Airbus A319-111 and crews are in MUC, operated behalf of LUFTHANSA. Currently operated MUC - OTP , every single day

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  33. Such a shame :(

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  34. They have just written on Twitter that they are suspending these routes to "optimize" their scheduled and operations. lol

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    1. Their statement is in the article actually:\

      Commenting on the suspensions, Adria said, "Taking into the account available capacities and given circumstances, we decided to further optimise our operations with the start of the winter season and decided not to continue flying to these three destinations at the moment, namely Bucharest, Kiev and Warsaw. Our long-term goal remains growth, but we want to keep it sustainable and stable and our services reliable and safe".

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  35. Technically speaking, Slovenija could be compared to Latvia especially when it comes to populations.
    Today, Latvija is home to one of the biggest regional airlines in Europe - airBaltic. But Latvija is also a W6 base and smartlynx one.

    RIX 2017 figures: 6,097,765
    LJU 2017 figures: 1,683,045

    BT fleet: 36 aircraft + 1 order
    JP fleet: 19 + 2 orders

    Latvija GDP per capita 2017: 13 645€
    Slovenija GDP per capita 2017: 20 648€

    So, there is no excuse for SLO not to reach LV standards.

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    1. How many competitors does RIX have in a 200km area vs how many does LJU have? I think that answers your question. Combine Trieste, Zag, whatever pax Klagenfurt has and some Graz and you'll get to the number 6m too. There's just more aiports to choose from here then from around RIX area.

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    2. Also Slovenia has much better road connection with the rest of Europe than Latvia.

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    3. Well, richer VNO and TLL are all very close too, within 2 hour drive. The 3 Baltic capitals have a traffic of almost 13 million combined. Not to mention the secondary airports like KUN:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_the_Baltic_states

      The total size of the Baltics is smaller than Romania and look at them!

      Slovenia must adopt the Baltic or Nordic model in order to achieve their results.
      JP should learn from BT.

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    4. The situation is not really comparable because other methods of transport are a lot more viable options from Slovenia than from Latvia because of its central location.

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    5. E kume. Čitaš mi misli, ali to ti je ono kako se kaže naški: prošla baba s kolačima ili pak u Dalmacija partila ferata.
      JP je propustila šansu da bude neke vrste Air Balkan 15 i kusur godina natrag. Da su tada pametno pustupali bila bi LJU ono što je sad RIX. RIX je veza između zapadne Europe i bivšeg SSSR. Lete među ostalim (barem pola godine) za GYD, ALA, KZN, ODS da mjesta na Baltiku (ne samo LT, LV i ES) ni ne spominjemo.
      LJU mogla je biti takva ista veza između Europe i zemlja bivše Juge plus Albanija. Nisu bili poharani ratom, nisu imali sankcije, a još ljudi su nekad tamo imali povjerenje u SLO firme.
      Trebalo je prilagodit letove letenja, da se ima što bolja mogućnost prestupanja, uvesti letove na destinacije koje su zanimljive našoj emigraciji (DUS, ARN...) i da se mene pita imati call centar na makedonskom, albanskom i onom što razumiju i Srbi i Hrvati i Bosanci. Kako ima u Sloveniji masa izvornih govoraca to uopće ne bi bio problem. Uz to je trebao puno jaći marketing u Istri, Rijeci i Friuliju. Jer budimo iskreni, LJU nudi i dan danas puno više P2P destinacija nego TRS.
      Sad ta šansa više ne postoje. Karte su podijeljene između velikih (prije svega LH) i Low Costova. JP tu više se ne može ušuljat.

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    6. PS. Bilo bi zanimljivo znati koliki % transfernih putnika ima LJU a koliko RIX.

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  36. Just keep on flying core network from LJU without interuption.

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  37. sve neprofitabilne linije treba da budu reducirani tjekom zime, a ne samo prosle tri destinacije.

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