Odd. If they were planning these routes for winter and suddenly cancel them, what could be the reason?

Let's hope at least that this helps resolve their flight cancellations since they will no longer be operating 8 weekly flights.

Oh doesn't matter. Good thing we have flights from Paderborn instead.

Regarding to Bucharest it is great news for JU as it offers best connection between LJU and OTP

Hmmm let me guess, no one was buying tickets?

But it's just odd because they had Kiev last winter and during the summer and they also planned it for this winter and then they just drop it.

Were they hoping no one would notice?

Fighting against WIZZ and Rynair with a more expensive one stop in LJU is not so clever.

Seems they lost out against LOT on the Warsaw route. Shame.

Same will happen on Moscow route against Aeroflot unfortunately.

lol seems like it.

We can assume these were the three worst performing routes in their network.

Seems it might. No cancellations planned for today so far.

That's substantial.

Yes, same story with JU on other BEG-WAW route.

I never understood this. Shouldn't Star Alliance member cooperate more and not compete against each other on the same routes if the market is limited?

Waw and Otp were but kbp was doing well....

It's not just about load factors about about finances. KBP might have been doing well load wise but its a long flight with a long rotation and the prices tickets were sold at probably couldn't cover the route's expenses.

Probably. Aeroflot already used A320 twice in a last few days, on the other hand Adria is now flying with CRJ700 instead of planned CRJ900.

The first indication was Adria introducing free checked in luggage for lowest fare on Moscow flights. It indicates their bookings have been affected.

Smart decision ! Greetings fm ZRH (last weekend 2 flights cancelled..)

Perhaps a chance for TAROM to start flights to LJU with their ATR42.

So not they will have just 18 destination in winter :/ and 21 aircraft!

They are always on time from Paderborn and there is no technical issues with Saab stationed there. Also flights from Lugano for Swiss are operated as scheduled. So, we have very reliable ACMI operator and a total mess with regular service from their main hub.

If it means this is a way to get their finances in order then I support the move.

Half of the fleet is being wetleased.

well if you lose money, you cancel the worst performing routes first.

That was supposed to say *but about finances

+1

Not really. Dusseldorf this morning was cancelled, yesterday afternoon Sofia. Despite discontinued routs still with problems in Ljubljana. It seems lack of crews might be the reason since all the Saabs are not flying and in lots of cases one or even two CRSs are parked in Ljubljana while their flights are cancelled.

Flight crew shortage.

Adria was hoping to connect OTP with the like of FRA, CDG, AMS etc, without seeing that FR and W6 offer huge capacities for as much as 9€ . How on earth would the convince a pax to fly via LJU for 10x the price of a direct flight?? P2P demand is too thin here...

It's slightly faster to go with JP to VIE and then with OS to OTP. Plus you don't have to ride on a 25-year old turboprop.

Well Anon 09:23 check the facts - Lugano-Zurich flights operated only for 3 days, now Austrian is back with DHC8 and Saab is quietly sitting in ZUR. No reason known so far, but something went wrong.

Not good.

Have they also reduced frequencies on some routes?

This seems to have been a rash decision since just a week ago they were saying they would fly these routes.

No. Other routes are operating as planned.

Are Brac and Dubrovnik on sale for next summer?

So Warsaw went down from 5 per week last winter to 0. Wow.

Starting to get really worried about Adria.

Dubrovnik is, Brac isn't.

bojo kmalu spet začel letet za swiss

Considering what is going on with their finances, do you think they will add a destination in Spain and one in Italy next summer? And in Italy, Milan or Rome? (if...).

I guess we will know soon enough. Last year they announced their new routes for summer at the end of November.

Same thing happened with all ex-Yu airlines on flights to Istanbul. Turkish butchered them on the routes.

The main problem for Adria is not having the right yield management and marketing.

JP still doesn't have the right fleet for its destinations.

It is not possible to get crews for SAABs - no one has the type rating. Those planes were leased as part of a money funneling scheme, since the company who is leasing them is connected to 4K.

If you are taking morning flight then it is slightly faster to fly with JU and if you are taking later OS flight you arrive to OTP earliest at 18.00h
The portion with ATR takes only 1 hour LJU-BEG
Not to mention that JU is much cheaper and usually flies with A319 to OTP ( I took approx. dates 05-07.12).

Well, you're a bit late. The Austrian wet lease ends next month, no one knows what's happening with Swiss wet lease.

And there is still no sign of those magical 10 million euros the CEO promised a week or two ago.

As far as you ask me, it's better to get other carriers doing their job correctly from LJU to major hubs. Also ticket prices are more affordable. Can't wait that Lufthansa takes over routes like FRA and MUC - no more ridiculous "codeshare" connecting JP+LH flights where adria still wants to get as much money as they would for P2P passenger.

This really does not look good.

If 4K fails in Slovenia I do not think they will go after YM.

Well, this is it, the implosion has begun - let's remind ourselves, just a couple of weeks ago the CEO was talking about acquiring new CRJ's next year, new routes, new ACMI deals, I was surprised he didn't promise trips to Mars. And now this. Plus, he promised 10 million euros of new capital - which was of course another lie. There is 0 chance Adria will make it through Decembre - zero!

There is also an exodus of foreign FO's, whom they 'occasionaly' forget to pay, thus deepening their crewing issues. When the first supplier pulls the plug, it's game over for Adria.

absolute smart decision. there is no profitable market to KBP ex LJU. WAW is covered by LO and OTP with two weekly flights makes no sense. Adria should focus to run the important destinations without cancellations and keep that schedule stable. they cancelled my flight ex ZRH last saturday, had to rebook me via VIE and will still pay 250 EUR compensation. That def. makes no sense

This only shows, how tough is the airline environment out there...small airlines in particular must be very lean otherwise....KAPUT.

finally some smart words coming from JP Management.... greetings JU520 BEGLAX

What is this mess?

I believe they were a bit too optimistic. They probably realized their brand image and perception is worsening. So they can't afford cancelling flights anymore. Therefore, they had to cut some routes. At least I hope that's the reason.

I believe Adria does not have more than 3 months left for bankruptcy. And with these fuel prices, Croatia Airlines and Air Serbia don't have more than 1-2 years for the same end. Tough times ahead, here comes the long expected consolidation of commercial aviation in Europe.

Air Serbia is here to stay, I wouldn't worry about them

I am still shocked how Sofia is doing that well....no comments!

Everyone knows that with 4-coupon tickets to mostly ethnic destinations you can't make money. Get rid of the transit traffic and concentrate on point to point!

I doubt flight crew shortage is the issue. If it was, the flights would be on sale for next summer but they are not, they have been completely removed from the schedule.

Mess on number of fronts - unreliable old aircraft (saabs), crew shortage, money shortage, passenger shortage... take your pic. That's what happens when you sell an airline to a company that has never run an airline.

@Anon 9.35 not surprised. Those Saabs have been very unreliable since they have been at LJU. Lots of mechanical problems.

Some views very optimistic ,some more pessimistic, the truth i think lies in between these extremes. I think that 2019 will become T H E definitive year for JP in regard to its very existence. Even the so called better airlines will have a tough situation.

Seems to be working for JP and JU. To bad OU didn't join the party on time.

I wonder how many people they have had to rebook. A guy wrote here just a few days ago he had a flight from Bucharest to some western European destination with JP via LJU in a couple of weeks.

Agree with above anon. The P2P demand is low so I doubt even TAROM would make it work. Although I would have said the same about OTP-BEG but TAROM is flying something like 8 weekly flights on top of JU daily. So who knows.

+100
This is especially true for small airlines like the ones from ex-Yu. JU has/had the same issue.

Mrcvarenje ce se jos malo nastaviti inace

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoBwRjCiHpQ&list=RDbo4apVcp4_U&index=2

Adria has the least competition out of all the ex-yu airlines. If they can't make it with such a monopoly then the market probably is too small.

Brac was cancelled in September. Was supposed to run till October.

Of course they won't. I think they only plan to take YM if they can somehow find synergies it with JP.

JP prices FRA-LJU are poisonly expensive!

In a real competition world without state aid neither Air Serbia nor OU would make it..

There IS a reason, why there is much less competition in LJU. Because demand is not sufficient. hen egg problem...

Why no KBP anymore? Schedule was terrible but still this connection has potential.
Many new international connections to various airports in Ukraine are scheduled.
Few examples: Ernest will fly from Rome and Milan to Kharkiv from March 2019. Wizzair is starting London-Luton and Vienna to Kharkiv from this month.
The second airport of Kiev: EV is booming with new flights (mostly low cost).
Currently announced new destinations from EV (various airlines): Genoa, Barcelona, Poprad, Tbilisi, Billund, Bremen, Riga.
So many destinations are already covered ex KBP.
Why Adria can't make it. I can't get it.

Will be KBP back in spring? Or is it the end? And that's it?

Imaju pravi vec otplaceni avion atr42. Kad njega nestane bice tesko da drze tu liniju. To je problem mnogih aviokompanija u Evropi nestanak manjih komercijalnih aviona od 50 do 70 putnika koji mogu da se isplate na kracim linijama. Pun atr42 je tek malo profitabilan atr72.
Prosle godine je narucen samo JEDAN Atr42.

To za JU ne vazi,oni imaju prekookeanske letove

I don't think Adria will see much of 2019.

Dubrovnik Needs better departure days. Days 3,5 is not really ideal.
Suggest 1,5,7 or even 1 3 5 7

Transfer flying times and total journey time from both OTP and SOF is shorter compared to JU.
Passengers would enjoy CRJ compared to ATR but JU has more destinations to offer and now free food, which is not so nice news for JP.

This will probably impact LJU numbers.

Well in total it's a loss of 8 weekly flights compared to last winter (WAW was 5, Kiev 3 and Bucharest was not operated last winter). Then again there are foreign airlines that have increase or introduced new flights to LJU. We will see.

5.12.2018
LJU-BEG-OTP 4:35h
LJU-VIE-OTP 4:45h

There is a possibility to fly only 4h but in that case you land in OTP at 22:55h. Not sure if it is convinient especially for business travellers

7.12.2018
OTP-BEG-LJU 4:45h
OTP-VIE-LJU 4:00h

JU price 250,-EUR
OS price 480,- EUR

LJU-BEG-SOF 4:45h
LJU-VIE-SOF 4:40h

Again. there is a possibility to fly only 4h but in that case you land in SOF at 22:55h. Not sure if it is convinient especially for business travellers

SOF-BEG-LJU 4:50h
SOF-VIE-LJU 5:00h

JU price 190 EUR
OS price 500 EUR

I would surely chooose JU

Of course, ADRIA'S S5-AAX - Airbus A319-111 and crews are in MUC, operated behalf of LUFTHANSA. Currently operated MUC - OTP , every single day

Sadly but JU failed in Ukraine too

Such a shame :(

As far as foreign airlines go I think LOT increased flights, there are easy jet flights from Berlin and new Aeroflot flights, plus Adria's Dusseldorf and Sofia flights... if they don't suspend those as well.

All of this costs the airline. If they planned to suspend these flights they should have closed reservations from W18/19 at least a month ago. They have already paid millions in compensation to people for delayed or cancelled flights this year.

They have just written on Twitter that they are suspending these routes to "optimize" their scheduled and operations. lol

Their statement is in the article actually:\

Commenting on the suspensions, Adria said, "Taking into the account available capacities and given circumstances, we decided to further optimise our operations with the start of the winter season and decided not to continue flying to these three destinations at the moment, namely Bucharest, Kiev and Warsaw. Our long-term goal remains growth, but we want to keep it sustainable and stable and our services reliable and safe".

Do you really believe that LH, AF, KL, AZ and many others did not receive state's aid until they become so big?

Once they became huge they invented that state's help is not anymore allowed.

Actually AZ has still been receiving state's support.
Let's not talk about EK, EY, QR, TK and many many others

@1424

Well, they still recieve state aid in one form or another. LH has an exclusive right to use one of the terminals in MUC for over 20 years - a friendly agreement between LH and the operator of MUC, they are of course not connected in any shape or form.

RYR is living of municipal subsidies, which are just another name for state aid. Plus the European Comission is willingly blind to their tax, shall we say, scheme, their labour contracts etc.

So yes, there is plenty of state aid to go around, you just have to come from the right country.

Technically speaking, Slovenija could be compared to Latvia especially when it comes to populations.
Today, Latvija is home to one of the biggest regional airlines in Europe - airBaltic. But Latvija is also a W6 base and smartlynx one.

RIX 2017 figures: 6,097,765
LJU 2017 figures: 1,683,045

BT fleet: 36 aircraft + 1 order
JP fleet: 19 + 2 orders

Latvija GDP per capita 2017: 13 645€
Slovenija GDP per capita 2017: 20 648€

So, there is no excuse for SLO not to reach LV standards.

Just keep on flying core network from LJU without interuption.

Or one or two hours by car (depends which city in Slovenia) to ZAG, and than nonstop to OTP for 160 euro return on Croatia Airlines

@10.21 that's crazy for Adria but turned out good for you, unless you had to wait too long for your Vienna flight.

So if there is a great news for anyone here, it would be OU

OU only flies to Bucharest during the summer.

Nemaju prekookeanske letove nego jedan jedini prekookeanski let za Njujork koji je uveden radi licne promocije Velikog Vodje i po njegovim recima pravi gubitke, dakle suprotno od onog sto tvrdis, jer je jedan let malo da se oko njega gradi mreza za feed

So what? It's still good news for OU during 7 months of summer timetable when people travel more and prices are higher, and that's precisely why they fly it summer only, along with plenty of other routes

I highly doubt anyone is interested to fly to Zagreb only to have to drive afterwards for longer than the actual flight took them. Account into that the price of parking a car somewhere for days, or paying for private transport, waiting at the boarder etc.

Exactly.
You can never be sure what is going to be the situation on the roads, how long you will need to get to ZAG, how long you will be waiting on the border (once going there and once on the way back to Slovenia) etc.
And now winter season comes...During that season BEG and VIE offer the best connections from LJU to OTP with the fact that JU is much cheaper.
ZAG is not on the map.

How many competitors does RIX have in a 200km area vs how many does LJU have? I think that answers your question. Combine Trieste, Zag, whatever pax Klagenfurt has and some Graz and you'll get to the number 6m too. There's just more aiports to choose from here then from around RIX area.

Finally someone who is thinking out of the box and not looking just ticket cost!
+ 100

Also Slovenia has much better road connection with the rest of Europe than Latvia.

But of course. If you go from LJU via BEG or VIE, it cannot happen that you have jammed road, you don't need to park at LJU and pay for parking, or the other way round, friend cannot take you and return your car, not only to LJU but for example to Novo Mesto, Celje, Maribor and so on. How much you are wrong shows the number of cars with Slovenia plates parked at ZAG. But when OU and ZAG are in question, when seasonality didn't work out, than let's try something else, cause, hey, somebody dared to say there is quicker, more convenient and cheaper way than JU. Pathetic, Pathetic, Pathetic

Well, richer VNO and TLL are all very close too, within 2 hour drive. The 3 Baltic capitals have a traffic of almost 13 million combined. Not to mention the secondary airports like KUN:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_the_Baltic_states

The total size of the Baltics is smaller than Romania and look at them!

Slovenia must adopt the Baltic or Nordic model in order to achieve their results.
JP should learn from BT.

^you just don't get it. And you are comparing "jammed roads" between Ljubljana city centre and Ljubljana airport to possible traffic between Ljubljana and Zagreb with a boarder crossing. And no one says people from Slovenia don't use Zagreb, but I'm highly doubtful you will see an onslaught of passengers from Bucharest. This route was suspended by the way because of a lack of P2P passengers in the first place. Croatia Airlines could certainly pick up transfer passengers in the summer (depending on how the flights are timed).

I would suggest you think a bit rationally. Not everything is related to nationalism. deal with complexes elsewhere

And btw we are probably talking about 5 P2P passengers per sector here. What gives OS or JU an advantage is that they actually fly this route during winter and their flight times are such that they can connect passengers to western europe (this was the only reason this route was introduced by JP in the first place) not because of the 'massive' demand between Ljubljana and Bucharest which you suddenly think people will flock with their cars to Zagreb when for the same duration those couple of passengers flying between LJU and OTP can connect through Vienna or Belgrade within an hour of landing and reach their final destination without having to drive, cross land and airport boarders, pay tolls and pay parking etc. But you are right, maybe their friends drive them. The nonsense some people write here just to prove how they are better or superior in some way without using any logic is astounding.

And one final note, Croatia Airlines does not operate this route for the entire summer season. Flights start in May.

lol, LH co-build MUC's T2. its THEIR Terminal! svasta procitas

The situation is not really comparable because other methods of transport are a lot more viable options from Slovenia than from Latvia because of its central location.

Didn't Easyjet and Transavia also increase their frequencies?

E kume. Čitaš mi misli, ali to ti je ono kako se kaže naški: prošla baba s kolačima ili pak u Dalmacija partila ferata.
JP je propustila šansu da bude neke vrste Air Balkan 15 i kusur godina natrag. Da su tada pametno pustupali bila bi LJU ono što je sad RIX. RIX je veza između zapadne Europe i bivšeg SSSR. Lete među ostalim (barem pola godine) za GYD, ALA, KZN, ODS da mjesta na Baltiku (ne samo LT, LV i ES) ni ne spominjemo.
LJU mogla je biti takva ista veza između Europe i zemlja bivše Juge plus Albanija. Nisu bili poharani ratom, nisu imali sankcije, a još ljudi su nekad tamo imali povjerenje u SLO firme.
Trebalo je prilagodit letove letenja, da se ima što bolja mogućnost prestupanja, uvesti letove na destinacije koje su zanimljive našoj emigraciji (DUS, ARN...) i da se mene pita imati call centar na makedonskom, albanskom i onom što razumiju i Srbi i Hrvati i Bosanci. Kako ima u Sloveniji masa izvornih govoraca to uopće ne bi bio problem. Uz to je trebao puno jaći marketing u Istri, Rijeci i Friuliju. Jer budimo iskreni, LJU nudi i dan danas puno više P2P destinacija nego TRS.
Sad ta šansa više ne postoje. Karte su podijeljene između velikih (prije svega LH) i Low Costova. JP tu više se ne može ušuljat.

PS. Bilo bi zanimljivo znati koliki % transfernih putnika ima LJU a koliko RIX.

Ah, ok, now I got it, if it's via ZAG, than it's 5 per flight, if it's via VIE (BEG deliberately omitted), than it's 50, maybe even 500. However it's always nice hearing from the fanboys you talk nonsense. Cheers!

No you obviously haven't got it at all. Coming from the person who suggested that driving between Ljubljana city centre and Ljubljana Airport is the same as driving between Ljubljana and Zagreb, I'm not surprised. My assumption is that travel between point to point Ljubljana to Bucharest is very low whether you transfer through BELGRADE (hope you got that) BELGRADE, Vienna or the moon. I suggest you go deal with your complexities and nationalism first. Goodbye.

Више је него нула.

Anonymous6 November 2018 at 20:50
+1

sve neprofitabilne linije treba da budu reducirani tjekom zime, a ne samo prosle tri destinacije.

A ljeti je ok letit neprofitabilno ili?