EX-YU airports to negotiate new routes


Airports from the former Yugoslavia will be taking part in the upcoming 25th World Route Development Forum in Adelaide, Australia from September 21 where the most senior representatives from airlines, airports and tourism authorities meet, plan and discuss new and existing global air services. The airports in Zagreb, Ljubljana, Rijeka, Zadar and Belgrade, through operator VINCI, will be present at the event.

Zagreb Airport, which is nominated for the Routes Europe Marketing Award at the summit, which recognises outstanding marketing support that airports provide to their airline partners, said, “We are in talks with a number of airlines over the introduction of new routes, however, as the negotiations are ongoing and confidential, we are unable to provide further information at this time”. Russian carriers have shown increased interest in the Croatian capital with both Azur Air and iFly granted permits by their country’s regulator to operate flights from Moscow and Sochi to Zagreb respectively, if they choose to exercise those rights. Furthermore, under a three-year development plan to reboot the ailing Alitalia starting from 2020, the carrier intends on launching flights from Rome to Zagreb. Two airlines from the United States have also expressed interest in introducing nonstop services to the Croatian capital. The Director of the Croatian National Tourist Office in New York, Ina Rodin, recently said, "We are in serious talks with two large carriers and we hope that within the next two to three years we can establish nonstop flights between New York and Zagreb". Negotiations with Chinese carriers are ongoing with the airport previously noting, "We anticipate finalising talks over the arrival of a Chinese carrier because Croatia is becoming of growing interest to Chinese tourists. There is also an increasing number of Chinese investments in Croatia and we believe we will be able to find a common ground for the introduction of flights from a Chinese city".

Several cities have recently expressed interest in establishing nonstop flights to Belgrade Airport, with talks between relevant stakeholders currently taking place. The airport’s operator noted, “We are working on bringing new airlines to Belgrade. We never make announcements before the carrier itself but we have nonstop flights to Europe, and we are looking to considerably increase frequencies on those services. We must now open new routes so we can secure sustainable growth in the coming years”. The Moroccan Ambassador to Serbia has reiterated plans to connect the two countries with a nonstop air service. "The increase in the number of tourists from Serbia to Morocco is our utmost goal, and in this sense, strengthening Morocco's air connectivity and its accessibility is at the heart of our concerns”. Furthermore, the Mayor of the Black Sea resort city of Sochi in Russia has initiated the introduction of flights to Belgrade, while the Lviv Regional State Administration in Ukraine has also said it is working on establishing services to the Serbian capital. “Serbian tourists have shown great interest in travelling around Ukraine. The Lviv region has something to show, surprise and please Serbian tourists, so we are working on the introduction of flights to Belgrade".

Ljubljana Airport is also heading to the summit, confident of securing new flights and discussing potential route launches with relevant stakeholders. “We are very keen to connect with the Iberian Peninsula, as well as Scandinavia and North Germany, and we are in constant contact with airlines”, the airport said recently. It added that in the coming months it anticipates progress in terms of route development, but that it cannot provide further information at this time. One of the airport’s main goals continues to be securing services to the Gulf. “We are constantly working on the Gulf area, so we are very active in that respect. It is one of the most important goals not only for Fraport and the Slovenian National Tourism Board, but also for the country and the airport itself. The more direct routes, the more investors there will be, as well as more tourists. So, the Gulf is our priority”, it said.

World Routes is the largest global annual event of its kind and the largest and most prestigious event in the Routes portfolio. The core of World Routes is the face-to-face meetings between travel industry stakeholders which take place throughout the duration of the event, allowing them to plan future operations.




Comments

  1. I hope Ljubljana manages to attract some new routes or airline. It really needs it.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I agree. After loosing 2 Wizz Air routes, they need to do something.

      Delete
    2. They didn't just lose two Wizz Air routes, they lost Wizz Air altogether.

      Delete
    3. Isn't CRL resuming in the summer?

      Delete
    4. It is. LTN as well probably.

      Delete
    5. But even if they return they have become seasonal, and a low cost option has been lost over winter, making LJU less competitive compared to surrounding airports.

      Delete
  2. Bravo Hrvatska!

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Are you writing under every news post Bravo XYZ?

      Delete
  3. Good to see such a big presence from Croatian airports and airlines at routes :)

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Previous years there was also DBV and SPU on Routes.

      Delete
  4. Concerning Zagreb we have been hearing about flights to the US and China for the past 10 years.

    ReplyDelete
  5. It seems there won't be any JU long haul expansion any time soon. Is BEG looking for some alternative?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Not if it is for a route that JU might be interested in launching in a few years.

      Delete
    2. BEG management said they were looking at long haul low cost airlines.

      Delete
    3. I mean VINCI management said that.

      Delete
    4. I think once Chinese arrivals hit 500.000 a year we will finally get a non-stop flight without any stops.

      Delete
    5. That would be bad news for JU.

      Delete
    6. What exactly would be bad news for JU? If you are going to troll, at least tell us what it's about.

      Delete
    7. Anonymous at 09:17
      You snooze, you lose.
      JU should have leased two more A330s from EY and launch ORD, YUL, YYZ and PEK.
      If another airline launches any of these routes there is no way JU will compete with it. It will just forget about it.

      Delete
    8. Why should JU launch another long-haul route when the one it has now is not profitable? By boosting destinations like TIA it improves connectivity in winter months which will also help increase yields on JFK.

      You build a house from the foundations, not the roof.

      Delete
    9. Anonymous at 09:17 +1
      PVG would be a great addition too. JU having one longhaul plane for a single longhaul route is economically unsustainable. It really needs to grow.

      Delete
    10. JFK was launched for politicians prestige. That is why it remains unprofitable after all those years.
      JU needs to grow its network enough so that it can feed JFK and other possible lang haul routes. Our local market is too small.

      Delete
    11. If we look at Chinese arrivals this year I think it's still early for non-stop flights to China:

      July 2019: 16.273 (+50%)
      01-07.2019: 73.559 (+39%)

      Delete
    12. What matters is that JFK is improving every year, now that JU is finally growing in winter things will only get better. There is a massive Albanian community in and around New York and JU seems to be attracting it big time.

      By the way, another gold mine for JU is TGD, the other day there were 120 passengers from Podgorica with 110 continuing to JFK.

      Delete
    13. Dotle se ljudi prevoze preko SU tri puta dnevno dok takvi strucnjaci kao ti gledaju broj turista.

      Delete
    14. Anonymous at 10:16
      That is almost 550 Chinese visitors arriving in BEG every day!
      That is more than enough for a 3-4 weekly flights. Especially if you consider how many can be transferred then to Croatia, Montenegro, Greece etc.

      Delete
    15. There are many more Chinese visiting Serbia than Americans. But JFK is far more prestigious destination for a politician to advertise to his voters.

      Delete
    16. You can't sustain a route purely on tourism unless it's mass tourism, which isn't the case here. Besides, there were Beijing-Belgrade flights operated by Hainan and they failed.

      Delete
    17. 16.273 Chinese arrivals in July means that a daily A330 flight can carry half of them. The numbers are clearly there for such a route to work! It doesn't have to be daily but the demand is already there.

      just my2cents

      Delete
    18. @Anonymous 3 September 2019 at 10:39
      Hainan is in deep financial trouble and flights were operated through BUD.

      Delete
    19. But these Chinese don't come from a single city. That is why TK, QR, SU... are profitting because they have a wide China network.

      Delete
    20. Neither TK, QR or SU have a China network that comes close to what a Chinese carrier has. And thus can channel all this traffic through their hub to BEG.

      Delete
    21. JU definately needs to do something with its long haul stratergy. As I have said many times, I dont believe JU will ever get proper profitability on 1 route 1 aircraft. 2 more A330's and 2-3 destinations should assist in ac utilation.

      - YYZ
      - PVG
      - DEL/BOM

      India is easy for an ac to rotate there and back in a day and still have time for a European rotation (think summer charters, AYT as an example). Indians are travelling more to our region, trade, visa free access to Serbia for Indians, on top of connections to JFK and the European network would work well.

      YYZ has been mentioned soo many times, no need to go further.

      BEG for PVG if im not mistaken was of the top underserved destinations. Previous experience flying SU between BEG and SVO was ALOT of transfer pax to PVG. Plus Chinese diaspora in Serbia, increasing business trade and tourism between China and Serbia and im sure 4 pw wouldnt be too hard to pull off.

      - 3-4 pw YYZ
      - 4 pw PVG
      - 3-4 pw DEL/BOM
      - up to daily JFK
      - plus if possible a charter roatation.

      Winter time when demand is down, decrease frequencies for ac maintenance.

      Delete
    22. Let JU grow first its short-haul network before any long-haul flights. It's an expensive adventure JU can't afford.

      Btw this is for tonight:

      BEG-KRR 80/144
      KRR-BEG 120/144

      Delete
    23. By introducing more wide body's, JU will just accelerate it's way to bankruptcy. They just can't afford intercontinental flights, not with this structure, without a group membership, without good connectivity and after all, without serious management of the company (i.e. the company is run by a former CFO of Alitalia!!, who was introduced just temporary to the current position).

      Delete
    24. ...You build a house from the foundations, not the roof.
      ...Let JU grow first its short-haul network before any long-haul flights

      That's the kind of short-sightednes that's plaguing Air Serbia management and suffocating the airline. If those "foundations" are short/mid haul network, then Air Serbia had those foundations well before it changed the name and started JFK. Only the existing top 5 feeder routes, such as TGD, are critical for success. Expanding so called foundations by adding MAD, BCN, NCE etc does nil to help launch another TATL service such as YYZ. That dismantles the myth of required growth of short/mid haul to start another long haul.

      Following the building analogy, Air Serbia already had foundations and then built only one floor (JFK service). They are now waiting for this half built contraption to become sustainable. Instead of waiting for this Godot, what Air Serbia management should have done years ago is not only build a plan for the whole "house" but commit to fully execute the plan all the way to the roof. That means building other long haul "floors"/destinations so they can have fully functional, and eventually profitable, "house" as a hub airline. Waiting for Godot strategy after four summers of JFK service has proven wrong.

      Delete
    25. JU needs regional flights in the morning in order to be competitive. JFK that arrives at 05.30 doesn't connect to much.

      Delete
    26. @Anonymous 3 September 2019 at 10:41

      Hainan never flew through BUD but PRG.

      Delete
    27. He probably confused it with Belavia which flies from Minsk to Belgrade via Budapest.

      Delete
  6. What destinations could work:
    JU: IKA, IZM
    OU: WAW, MAD

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. I don't see OU adding WAW, it would actually force them to cooperate with anyone besides LH Group.

      Delete
    2. What's the obsession with IKA? I don't think it would work with the current socio-political climate in Iran. Plus there already is a Mahan Air flight for tourists.

      Delete
    3. I think OU codeshares with LOT between ZAG and WAW.

      Delete
    4. OU does codeshare with LOT, so I don't understand the comment @09.18.

      Delete
    5. One thing is to code-share and another to actually fly the route with its own metal.

      Delete
    6. No, it makes your original comment completely invalid since OU is actually selling seats on LOT and feeding its network as a result.

      Delete
    7. Just because it has a code-share doesn't mean they are selling anything. Until there are some numbers it's pure speculation. Why would someone buy a ticket on OU code-share when LO sells it via their own website? They both in Star Alliance so even miles are not an advantage.

      Delete
    8. Because it is likely cheaper. I regularly find tickets to be cheper with codeshare partners than the actual operating carrier and most booking engines will display you the price of the codeshare partner first if that is the case.

      Delete
    9. So much pain and anger for the fact that OU is a member of the Star Alliance...

      Delete
    10. I just went to OU's website and there is no Warsaw in the drop down menu? Are they still code-sharing?

      Delete
    11. Not sure, ZAG website is still displaying OU codeshare code on LOT flights.

      Delete
    12. Maybe they didn't modify it because there is nothing on OU's website.

      Delete
  7. With JU's success in KBP and KRR, I am sure Sochi and Lviv are hopeful they would be on JU's radar. I am sure LWO would be a total success as it's within the range of the Atr, it's even shorter than Prague actually.

    Maybe BEG should negotiate with a Russian airline to open another city since Russian arrivals are booming since Red Wings entered the market. Maybe Kazan?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. well, Red Wings could start Sochi, it is their focus city. true, JU could start as well, but I don't think they have planes at the moment. as for Kazan, I don't think there is enough demand.

      if I was in some position at JU, I'd go for Kazakhstan, triangle flight BEG-ALA-TSE-BEG

      Delete
    2. Tourism demand can be stimulated by active promotion of Belgrade in places like Kazan.

      Delete
    3. Do Kazakhstanis need visas to enter Serbia, Montenegro or Croatia?
      If not I can't see who would be using such a route and why.

      Delete
    4. Serbian citizens definitely need visas to travel to Kazakhstan. So it would be a very difficult situation for this route to work.

      Delete
    5. No. With SRB passport you travel visa free to Kazakhstan

      http://www.mfa.gov.rs/sr/index.php/konzularni-poslovi/putovanja-u-inostranstvo/vize-za-inostranstvo-i-informacije-o-drzavama/100-spisak-zemalja-za-putovanje-u-inostranstvo/10543-kazahstan-konz?lang=lat

      Delete
    6. Kazan is not in Kazakhstan, but in the Russian Republic of Tatarstan.

      Delete
    7. visa waiver is mutual for Serbia and Kazakhstan, so there is potential for the aforementioned triangle. as well as for transfers to other destinations

      Delete
  8. Croatia Airlines should start Zagreb - Tuzla - Istanbul, 3-4 operations per week with Dash

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Why? What would be the point?

      Delete
    2. I'm not sure OU as an EU carrier would get permits from the Turks to operate scheduled flights between two non EU countries.

      Delete
    3. Wouldn't Mostar make more sense?

      Delete
  9. Hopefully there will be a positive outcome for all the airports.

    ReplyDelete
  10. I find it interesting how BEG says that they have a lot of destinations but that they are working on increasing frequencies. Just yesterday we read how JU is boosting its network and how easyJet is not cutting the 4th weekly this winter.

    My guess is that they will encourage LO to go double daily from WAW and to help Aegean have daily flights at least in summer.

    Nice to see that BEG is being so proactive.

    ReplyDelete
  11. LJU and flights to the Gulf. A never ending tale.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Same with ZAG-US flights.

      Delete
    2. I really hope LJU manages to attract Qatar Airways.

      Delete
    3. I don't think that will happen due to the proximity of their Zagreb operations.

      Delete
    4. They should attract a Gulf airline that doesn't already fly to the region.

      Delete
    5. Air Arabia would be the perfect option.

      Delete
    6. It would offer very limited transfer options. Most people using Gulf flights to Ljubljana continue to Asia or Australia.

      Delete
  12. I think there is potential for flights from Belgrade to Toronto, Chicago and Shanghai. Unfortunately, I don't see Air Serbia starting these routes any time soon.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Other than a Chinese airline, I don't see a US or Canadian airline starting flights to Belgrade.

      Delete
    2. Skyservice used to fly to BEG so you never know.

      Delete
    3. If VINCI doesn't get more long haul from Air Serbia they should reach out to others. American Airlines from Chicago ORD would work very well. Air Canada Rouge twice a week seasonal from Toronto can't go wrong. Shanghai has more demand than PEK for BEG, if they can get approval to go ahead before Beijing.

      Delete
    4. Small market is a big problem for Serbia to attract foreign long haul flights . Look at Air Serbia"s long haul flights & how much money they were loosing maintaining the US route. Crazy!

      Delete
    5. When JFK was launched it was profitable only in two months, last year it was profitable in June, July, August and September. Losses are considerably reduced on the route but that's also partly because of improve regional feed. I am sure Tirana with daily flights this winter will provide additional feed for their JFK flights.

      Delete
    6. Anonymous at 06:33
      Where did you get that info?
      Because it is not in any JU filling or report.

      Delete
  13. TAV not taking part?

    ReplyDelete
  14. Would love to see DUB, RIX and LIS from Belgrade. That would fit in very nicely into the current network.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. RIX used to be served. I remember reading an interview here with Air Baltic's CEO who said that BEG is always at the top of their potential new routes. Who knows maybe they come back soon.

      Delete
    2. LIS is also a previously served route but failed due to TAP being a complete shambles when they flew the route. They originally planned to serve BEG on a year round basis with winter flights operating as a triangle with BUD.

      Delete
    3. As for DUB I'm not sure if it could work at the moment. The route is far so rotation is very long. Diaspora in Ireland is very small as are business links.

      Delete
    4. And it needs to be mentioned that Serbian passport holders need visas for Ireland

      Delete
    5. I agree that we're most likely to see Riga be reinstated before the other two. Lisbon is now also much more likely now that Vinci has taken over BEG airport. DUB could still work due to lots of transfer possibilities.

      Delete
    6. Did JAT (and I meant the pre 90s JAT) ever fly to Dublin?

      Delete
    7. I don't think they ever did - I was actually thinking that it would be a great idea to try this, just look at Helsinki which was never flown before...

      Also with the visas thing, I don't think this would depend on the outbound tourism to Ireland from Serbia but the other way around (as well as connecting traffic as someone mentioned above).

      Delete
    8. It would be even farther than MAD from BEG.

      8 hours total rotation time - maybe too long

      Delete
    9. I think yield wise Dublin would not work. Too long of a route.

      Delete
    10. especially if the majority of your passengers are going to be transfers, meaning you make less money than P2P. It is different if you fly to say Krasnodar where the route does rely on transfers but it's a night flight where you plane would be sitting on the ground anyway.

      Delete
    11. A sto se ne bi letelo preko Dublina za jug SAD Atlanta i Orlando? Za tranzit nije potrebna viza. Kad mogu da rade KLM preko amsterdama sto ne bi radili i preko Dublina za jug.

      Delete
    12. A sta dobijaju time? AMS sigurno ima daleko vise P2P iz Beograda nego Dablin za koji jos i trebaju vize.
      Nepotrebna linija

      Delete
    13. Malo informiranja nije na odmet, vize su potrebne I za tranzit kao i one turisticke, procedura je ista kao kod britanaca, doslovno nemoguci su.

      Delete
    14. Roughly 10% of all UK visa applicants need to be rejected, that's a rule issued by the Foreign Office.

      Delete
  15. Are there any ex-Yu airlines taking part in this summit?

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Haha interesting.

      Delete
    2. I think registrations are still ongoing so it's possible we will see some more airlines taking part.

      Delete
  16. Hope Alitalia will start Zagreb and finally show Croatia Airlines it is possbile to fly between Rome and Zagreb without a stop in Split or Dubrovnik.

    ReplyDelete
  17. More LCC options at ZAG would be good. Even if they get Eurowings to open a couple of routes.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. EW complained of high charges so I doubt they will be expanding, they are losing a lot of money.

      Delete
    2. EW negotiated with Croatian government to base a plane in ZAG. OU reacted not only with Croatian government but Lufthansa too. So Lufthansa decided to reign in Eurowings for the time being.

      Delete
    3. Niki (ie Ryanair) walked away too.

      Delete
  18. Waiting for some good news from Ljubljana. Adria replacing seasonal Manchester with seasonal Liverpool really can't be considered as anything major.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Which routes could work from Ljubljana?

      Delete
    2. Spain, Italy, Scandinavia

      Delete
    3. London Heathrow with BA on year round basis :D

      Delete
  19. A lot of ex-Yu airport need better links to the European continent itself. Not this long haul mumbo jumbo.

    ReplyDelete
  20. Hello to all of you guys! Does anyone know if OU will sustain any summer destination in winter timetable? Let's say what about Barcelona, Lisbon or Dublin. Thanks a lot.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Dublin will operate until mid January but Barcelona which operated until mid January this year will end in October.

      Delete
  21. Fingers crossed ZAG gets Alitalia to Rome

    ReplyDelete
  22. LCC carriers are not mentioned as possible airlines for new routes at any of those airports. Does this mean Wizz, Ryan and Easy are under pressure? EU could be targeting LCCs on environmental basis: Kazneni porez za avionske karte jeftinije od 50 evra – za to se zalaže jedan nemački političar:

    https://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/svet.php?yyyy=2019&mm=09&dd=03&nav_id=1585998

    ReplyDelete
  23. Actually Air Serbia already has a good network.
    Lviv,Varna, Ohrid (O&D) and Brac (charter) would be good additions for the time being .

    But JUs most important task is to replace the ATRs with more and newer ones and to increase frequencies !

    Also they could try to turn seasonal routes into year round ones - maybe flying twice a week to Hamburg and St Petersburg in winter ?!

    ReplyDelete
  24. ZAG needs to urgently do something, they officially started stagnating. They need to attract more airlines to keep the airport growing! August numbers should ring some bells.

    ReplyDelete
    Replies
    1. Actually september does better than august, not only in Zagreb but also in Belgrade ..

      Delete
    2. 0.9% growth in August is not great. I'm worried for ZAG, what will happen this winter?

      Delete
    3. Ask Mutlu and Akdmadzic, they are big managers, and yeah, that turkish route manager for ZAG airport. Horrible, they are responsible for this, but like many years until now - no one cares!

      Delete

Post a Comment

EX-YU Aviation News does not tolerate insults, excessive swearing, racist, homophobic or any other chauvinist remarks or provocative posts with the intention of creating further arguments. A full list of comment guidelines can be found here. Thank you for your cooperation.