VCE, TRS, ZAG, VIE, KLU

Very funny

Air Dolomity

The cars. MUC is 6hr drive away.

Well, 6 hrs is not a short trip.

@10:38 well its sad reality... bravo

Take EU funds, build "high speed railway" to A and IT and you are good SLO

how exactly will KLU save it? There are more austrians from karenten traveling from LJU than Slovenians from KLU. And I hope that nummber increases

But LJU is rapidly growing this year so what's the problem?

No Ryanair base. Thats where the moaning is coming from.

Rapidly growing 😂

And what do you consider a rapid growth @14.18 ?

Anything over 10%. You have to keep in mind both Slovenia and LJU are small markets.

I love how some people deadly cold defend LJU aiport as like its some third world country and there is no market. sick

Every month this year has had growth of nearly 20% but Ryanair fanboys will only accept that kind of growth as valid if it is compared to 2018 numbers.

Of course it's high as last year Q1 was a disaster 😂😂

Anon 16.11 well if there was more demand airlines would be there. Are you saying they are ignoring this market?

Anon @ 14:39 Would much rather have a Wizz base than Ryanair

why not? If demand isnt well...

Croatian airports are overall mostly served by Lufthansa mainline and are less affected than BEG

Croatia sends a around 14pw A220 to MUC.

No it does not. Couple flights to MUC are on ATR operated by ETF Airways.

Read and learn. Croatia offers around 14 rotations to MUC with A220-100/-300.

What do you not understand? Croatia offers less than 14 rotations to MUC. Its mostly 10 to 12 and half of them are operated by ATR of ETF Airways.

Attack as much as you want but there is not enough of demand to cover all weekly flights with a220's. Would be great but Jasmin is greatest CEO!

Anon 11:33
Daily flight OU 4438 is always with A220 (except one rotation with A319)
3-weekly OU 430 flight is always with A220
1-weekly OU 4432 is always A319/A220

Croatia offers less than 14 rotations to MUC? Please inform yourself.

No idea what those flights are. Croatia flies Zagreb to Munich on flight OU436 and OU4436.

OU436 is operating 4 times weekly. Twice of those 4 are on ATR.
OU4436 is operating daily. Five of those 7 are on ATR, one is on Q400 and one on A319.

So, in total they have 11 weekly from Zagreb to Munich of which 9 are on ATR.

Maybe the departure airport is not the same, you are talking just about Zagreb, and the other guy (maybe) about all OU departure airports with MUC as destination... Trying to help you figure this out...

"No idea what those flights are."

Of course you don't. Croatia Airlines flies few routes to MUC and majority of capacity to MUC is offered on A220.

Guys a lot of LH flights were cut from MUC. There are actually less options for OU to carry transfers. It makes sense for them not to add flights.

All of tLufthansa CityLine services between Munich and Rijeka are zeroed out aswell....just like Tivat. There is no big deamnd to fly to/from Munich to Croatia. Car is cheaper for a family since holidays in Croatia are over-priced already. Thats why most tourist in Croatia arrive by car (polish, czech, hungarian etc.)

Munich is probably the biggest diaspora city of Croats, and you can tell that just by strolling the street, similar to Serbs and Vienna, what do you mean there is no big demand?

What are you all talking about? LH serves Munich with A320 and A321s. There is no Cityline ops here- so unlike BEG there are no cancellations. With OU there are 4 daily flights with a lot of capacity.

There are or were planned CityLine ops to Rijeka exclusively and to all other Adriatic airports except Brac but there are still LH mainline flights on these. OU is flying as usual. The thing is: LH cut many flights in MUC so the question is can tomorrow someone from ZAG transfer at MUC to the same destinations he could two days ago, is it still that attractive for transfers (P2P is not questionable)? I didn’t look into that matter closely.

+1

JU could at the very least have flown MUC daily for years now. The area around MUC is both very bog population wise, very wealthy and has lots of gastos from our region, the rest of the Balkans and Greece.

But they could also keep the boutique model and be cold dead for a decade now. “Could” always works that way, it’s not the only possible scenario. Let’s be fair, they are doing good business; for Serbian business criteria - even very good.

Thew business model of JU seems to be working very well. By not being too ambitious with buying new airplanes they kept a solid fleet of leases in their portfolio allowing for flexibility when opportunities like this open up. We can expect a number airlines to suffer greatly during 2025 due to increased fuel price, with some shutting down. Also, wealthy state-funded airlines may sell their excess airplanes to reflect route cuts. This opens the door to get some newer airplanes at a good price. The question is; what types of airplanes should JU focus on getting in the near future if this opportunity presents itself?

JU has a great network and scheduling department and we should congratulate them for making MUC happen. This is all thanks to them.

Agile is an understatement in this case

I don’t like it. Those pax will mostly feed LH network. For JU is better to develop its own, then support other’s networks

Feed LH network? Who is going to buy two separate tickets, go through passport control, pick up bags, check in again and then go onto a Lufthansa flight?? I mean, should they not fly to Frankfurt either then?

But who will fly then? Business passengers? Diaspora use FMM traditionally.

Yea there is a lot of diaspora there in Bavaria

Lufthansa used to have 3 daily flights from MUC to BEG, so JUs daily flights are not in danger. FMM is pure LCC route from BEG, with W6 serving the route. Also 120km away (FMM) airport and 40km (MUC) away from the city center airports cannot be compared. Personally, I dont see a problem with JU benefiting from feeding LH network. If they make money, its fine. It has been a while since people are advocating for launching the route. Just wish them good luck and its enough.

LH carries a lot of diaspora people too, it's absolutely not true they all use FMM.

Wizz have 9pw to MEM. And that iz p2p. JU will fill the gap. Bravo Srbija!!

You are also forgetting that JU flies 2x to NUE.
You know there are people out there who don't want to fly to FMM and they travel 145 km to Munich. There is a reason why so many airlines fly to MUC.

I wonder how W6 managed to serve the Munich region 9 weekly with 239 seat A321s but JU was unable to even fly a daily E-jet to MUC itself.

^ because they have a different passenger structure. JU's is much more similar to LH. Not to mention that Wizz Air's cost base and cost per passenger is completely different. But some here, on an aviation site, still think it's all about load factor.

Diaspora will prefer bus than LH, I am sure. JU also flies NUE and STR in Bavaria, besides FMM and W6.

Now that more pax will gravitate toward MUC, we can expect SZG getting canceled or NUE downgraded to ATR year round.
Would be good if they keep both destinations active.

STR is not in Bavaria but in Baden Wurttemberg.

LH had triple daily on A319/320. I am sure they had enough O&D to fill a daily E95. JU will be fine.

Plus JU will no doubt carry a lot of transfers on this route.

11:48 With one flight per day, JU can not even carry all LH transfers. They should add extra frequencies shortly

They can’t carry LH transfers at all, the transfer pax will keep flying LH via FR or pick KLM or something else. This is P2P and (not so much) regional transfers (LJU, of course).

*via FRA

Guys, have you seen the fares on Lufthansa Group these days? They are through the roof. I guess they rebooked CityLine passengers onto those flights. It's crazy.

True dat.

No. They will likely move some Embraer operated flights to Airbus.

No. They have more than enough room in current Embraer fleet. They are mostly using 3 E195s while fourth was a backup. Now fourth one will also be mostly deployed.

Having a backup aircraft has proven to be a very good decision. With it JU can easily adapt to market and launch routes like this in just 3 days.

Ejet planes are not a problem. Ejet crews are lacking. Probably they will gain enough until flights starts

They were downgrading some frequency on some routes, so there they have found spare Ejets

Which routes?

He is referring to this but this happened in April
https://www.exyuaviation.com/2026/03/air-serbia-reduces-operations-in-april.html

Charter cancellations guys. Some E90/95 flights will get the A319.

They could get some LH Cityline Bombardier CRJ-900LR :) :) :)

^ Air Serbia fleet department, please do not read this comment :)

@14:08 - my thoughts exactly! Maybe they can get them at a good price. With flight reductions all over the world, it is very possible that companies will offload some of their overstock of airplanes.

It was Budapest. They launched it with more than twice daily flights then.

It is because JU has backup capacity, and also because their route scheduling department is very agile.

They saw an opportunity and they jumped on it. This is a chance for them to push LH out of this route.

But still, it's crazy. You need to, at least, contact the authorities and get the slots before the sales start and the sales started today.

^ and you know they didn't contact the authorities yesterday and get slots as well? No airline is going to schedule flights without getting slots. Really, some of you are clutching at straws.

No, I am 100% sure they did contact authorities and got the slots before the sales. I'm praising JU's promptness, unlike your reading capabilities.

MUC is probably having a huge sale right now. They lost what, 25% of flights overnight? They are interested in new airlines more than anyone.

This CityLine had 25% of MUC flights, are you sure?

In May, CityLine was to account for 26.4% of Munich Airport's flights.

Wow, didn't have clue, thanks. That's a lot.

Expect here...air serbia is looking see what planes they can get from LHchityline.

Didn't MUC just opened new wing with 15 new gates?

Yes but that was for non-LHG airlines and they were desperately needed.

I saw Munich Airport official Linkedin page liked Ex-Yu's post about these flights. So I guess they are happy too 😀

+1

Munich must have been fun in an ATR.

Jat Airways also operated the 734 to MUC, but after Saša the Manager and his team took charge everything progressed

Bilo nekad, sad je to history. Bravo JU 🇷🇸

@admin how many weekly flights did JU have to Munich in summer 2008?

Daily

And still with visas from Birčaninova queues, I must add.

Were flight numbers (340/342) the same back then?

Yes they were

I think so

Greece 12 and Spain 10

Spain is not 10, but 8. They are flying to Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia, Alicante, Palma, Seville, Tenerife and Malaga. If you count Portugal as well, then you get to 10. But that is not one country.

Greece is also not 12. They are flying to Athens, Thessaloniki, Corfu, Heraklion, Chania, Rhodes, Mykonos, Santorini. That is 8 scheduled routes.

If you add charter flights to Skiathos, Preveza, Kavala and Zakynthos, you get to 12.

And Ibiza pending...

He though of Iberian peninsula not Spain!

MUC is now the shortest German flight out of these 10. Also important with all these fuel prices, probably influenced their decision...

11.46 Especially Tenerife and Palma are on Iberian peninsula, as well and Ibiza

They were VERY quick. I'll bet their network department had MUC case study somewhere at the shelve waiting moment like this just to be implemented, with minor adjustments ofc.

That was probably the case here. Still, very agile and quick reaction from Air Serbia. Well done!

Yasss

MUC guy finally go silent. Next CLJ guy

Genau! Endlich 😍😍😍

Hallelujah....

Lagos next pls

^ @15:35 via Addis Ababa?

@15:35 That is for OU. No thanks.

They'll be back of course.

Yes, but surely they won't have monopol on this route anymore and surely they won't bring back 21 weekly service.

So, yes. They will be pissed off.

They could only be pissed off on themselves, and they should.

Yes JU has moved well. When Lufthanse return they'll do so with very competative pricing which is good for consumers on all fronts.

Honestly I think the market is there for LH with 21 and JU with 7 if not more.
Both serve a different market and JU will have a lot of transfers via BEG to and from MUC.

Literally his kahva has not cooled down since yesterday's LH announcement and here we are with the response by JU.

No. The JU scheduling department reacted quickly, they built the case and pushed it through. Because of their hard and fast work MUC was approved very fast. There are a lot of great people in JU who are never mentioned. Sometime it feels like the CEO acts as if he is alone in that company

Congrats to the JU scheduling guys!

It's the disgruntled former employee. Literally no one mentioned the CEO yet here you are on your usual rant lol.

Hahaha

I am very very surprised. My bad. Well done YU

On ekapija the schedule was published. So flights will be on some days in the morning wave and on the others in the afternoon. Similar to Frankfurt, Berlin Düsseldorf etc. So the non P2P passengers can continue to the holiday destinations or Russia with the lunch or night wave.

^ you have the schedule published on this site. Why would you mention another?

Because article was edited several times during the day. Schedule was added upon GDS appearance

you wrote the comment at 17.32. Schedule in the article was up for hours