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| TAP cancels Belgrade flights from mid January |
Portuguese national carrier, TAP Portugal, has suspended ticket sales for its flights from Lisbon to Belgrade starting January 14, just five months since the route was initially launched. It comes as a result of poor loads. Belgrade becomes one of three causalities in TAP’s network from the new year, with its flights to Tallinn and St. Petersburg also to be suspended. Both were launched this summer as well. An airline spokesperson told the Portuguese press, “These routes performed well during the summer, but bookings for the coming months are not encouraging”. Due to an ongoing fleet shortage, TAP’s CEO, Fernando Pinto, said last week that the airline would cut down on its network instead of leasing additional short and medium haul jets.
Flights from Lisbon to Belgrade were inaugurated this July, linking the two capital cities for the first time with a three weekly service. During the winter season, triangle flights via Budapest were introduced, with the service maintained three times per week. An additional fourth weekly flight was to be added during the upcoming holiday season. The inaugural service from Lisbon to Belgrade carried 117 passengers on its Airbus A319, which has the capacity to seat 132 people. Despite solid loads over the summer months and a strong advertising campaign in Serbia, TAP was plagued by operational issues, forcing the cancellation of many of its Belgrade flights. They were caused by a delay in the arrival of new aircraft, pilot training and “negative influences beyond our control”, Mr. Pinto says. As a result, passengers were rerouted onto other Star Alliance member airlines.
TAP is yet to decide whether it will resume the service next summer. Flights from Belgrade to the Iberian Peninsula have proven difficult to fill throughout the year, with Vueling operating its Barcelona to Belgrade route on a seasonal basis. TAP becomes the third airline in three months to suspend all of its operations to the Serbian capital, following on from Germanwings and Etihad Regional. The latter also introduced flights to Belgrade this summer, only to suspend them several months later. The Portuguese government is looking to sell up to 66% of its indebted national carrier, following a failed attempt in 2012. The airline has debts of some one billion euros and the state is banned from injecting fresh capital under European Union rules. TAP has a very limited presence in the former Yugoslavia with its only other destination in the region being Zagreb, which will continue to be maintained.
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From what I remember, Aeroflot is one of the biggest winners here because of the JU code-share. Lots of JU connecting passengers are booked on those flights.
There is still a lot of work to be done, but definitely the progress being made currently is very promising.
NS|SAN
I think their best shot would be to increase their regional frequencies which would inevitably make Belgrade the most attractive connecting airport for the Balkans. Then, they can take it from there.
If we look at their fleet, they really have 15 aircraft which is nothing.
(this is just to spike up some healthy rivalry)... :)
ExYu market seems to be polarized more than ever (east vs. west) in regards to the choice of airlines found in different regions. Let's compare the 2 geographically opposite poles: Zag & Beg (west & east).
What BEG has, and ZAG doesn't:
- Alitalia, Aegan, easyJet, Etihad, Belavia, Montenegro, Pegasus, Tarom, Wizz Air, Air Cairo, BH Airlines
Shared airlines:
- aeroflot, swiss (well zag will soon have), lufthansa, austrian, air serbia, eurolot/LOT (essentially too similar), Turkish, FlyDubai, Qatar, Norwegian, Tunis, Vueling
What ZAG has, and BEG doesn't:
- British Airways, Air France, KLM, Iberia, TAP, Germanwings, seasonal (Air Europa, Korean, Trade Air)
2 smaller hubs by 2020 ? 7 mil pax vs. 5 mil pax...
Somehow I can't imagine neither to independenlty position themselves as absolute and only hub... with the other in the background... just can't see it... they are both "incomplete" or partially complete :) in certain areas: tourism, population, gravitational area, diaspora, economic power, overall infrastructure etc.
Then TAP has its own problems, and reasons for this.
I took flight from BEG to LIS this July, load was between 75-80% on that flight, but on the way back they rerouted me via ZRH stating shortage of planes as the reason.
Plus they had really terrible schedule at 4 am...
Anyway, I really hope TAP will return next summer, and continue flying the route on seasonal basis.
4 JU212 (3 with A319) (mon,tue,thu,sun)
3 JU216 (wed,fri,sat)
source AS reservation system
http://www.fvw.de/?event=page.index&cmp.socialbookmarks.metadata.key=138251|150&cid=12059
I would love to see them launch flights from Berlin.
(Sarcasm: off)
That is not Iberia-Balkan?
Seems like flights will operate on Mondays and Fridays, one way ticket starts from €70.
Looks like Air Serbia got some competition.
Germanwings will have really good times, in the afternoon.
Are there still delays? And Beirut, do people still lose their baggage?
Three weekly flights arrive at 22.30 which should enable connections onto the midnight wave of departures.
Bags are still a bit of a problem but nothing like before. The situation with the luggage became bearable the moment JU took over the luggage sorting facility from BEG.
Daily departure at 13.55 and then once a week at 07.55 and 16.55.
Currently the morning flight departs at 06.50 but I guess it was moved for later due to a lack of gate space.
Departures from Belgrade at 06.40 and 17.55.
Additional frequencies to both Dubrovnik and Split have been added!!
Tirana--- from 3 to 7 times per week!
Amsterdam--- from 7 to 10 times per week!
Copenhagen--- from 7 to 9 times pr week!
Stockholm--- from 7 to 10 times per week!
Banja Luka-- from 7 to 9 times per week!
Warsaw--- from 7 to 8 times per week
Ljubljana--- evening flight operated by 737, and 3 morning flights with 737!
Zagreb-- from summer season 5 flights per week will be operated by 737!
Split--- some additional frequencies during the summer!
Dubrovnik--- some additional frequencies during the summer!
Btw GWI is returning to BEG! Flights Stutgart- Belgrade 2 timnes per week, from summer 2015!
You can check this additional frequencies on airserbia.com!
Znao sam da je za božićno vrijeme žetva, ali da je toliko, to nisam vjerovao. Poslovna partnerica mi dolazi u Zagreb preko Božića iz Berlina i kaže da su cijene abnormalne.
Ponedjeljak 22.12. TXL - ZAG +/- 2 dana
Utorak 30.12. ZAG-TXL +/- 3 dana
Znači fleksibilna je bila i u dolasku i u odlasku, nije baš dan prije Božića, 2 karte kupljene mjesec dana prije leta!
524 EUR Germanwings nonstop
389 Croatia via MUC
382 Air France via CDG
359 EUR Lufthansa via MUC ili FRA
337 EUR Austrian via VIE
261 EUR Air Serbia via BEG (stajanju u BEG oko 7 sati)
145 EUR KLM via AMS - KUPLJENO
Odgovor je bio da se to nece desiti jer na teritoriji CITAVOG Portugala ima manje od 100 nasih drzavljana u tom trenutku, tako da im se ne isplati da odrze glasanje.
Eto, koliko nasih ima tamo...
Jeste to trziste od 50 miliona ljudi, i nalazi se u Evropi, ali ti da bi mogao da organizujes usred novembra ili februara bar 5 nedeljnih letova ka Madridu ili Lisabonu, moras da imas dovoljan broj tranzitnih putnika, jer ukoliko se oslanjas na ove nase potrebe, neces dogurati ni do 50% LF jednog a319.
What kind of reverse logic is that? Like the airline cant make wrong calculations? We have seen what TAP did with their prices and flights at 4 AM.
Also, Air Serbia flies to Zagreb as well. Those people from BL who are taken by ZAG would fly with Air Serbia also, especially now when Air Serbia still dumps prices.That small residual (those taken by ZAG that wont fly with Air Serbia from ZAG but with some other airline) still does not justify increase to 9 frequences .
I mean hello, the same number of flights per week to Copenhagen and to Banja Luka!
So basically you have two Air Serbia lines (BNX and ZAG competing
Now, since the afternoon flight is sustained by large number of local passengers, the airline can afford to introduce other departures which are more convenient for transfer passengers.
Ne lupaj i ostavi Purgera na miru, nije nista lose mislio.
Afternoon flight to Skopje is operated by the Atr unlike with a jet aircraft as was the case last summer.
Of course, if bookings are solid then I am sure they will upgauge/upgrade both of these routes.
Belgrade will definitely pass the 5.5 million mark next summer, if not get close to 5.7!
Nisi mu ti advokat, niti ga ja optuzujem. Samo pitam zasto je naglasio koliko se ceka u BEG-u, a za ostalih 5 konekcija nije pomenuo, to me zanima. To da ga ja optuzujem si ti sam pronasao, to dosta govori.
ASL has very low costs on the BNX route because the government of Srpska pays for airport fees and the plances take all fuel from BEG.
In addition, CPH is operated by A319 and BNX by ATR, so there are lot more seats in offer on CPH even though the number of weekly flights is the same.
In a long run, things will level out. For a while, Beg was underserved, and there'll also be a moment when it'll be overserved. In my opinion, it'll reach that point around 6 to 7 mil... (considering all of the mentioned factors and the competing airports that also have similar if not better economy, tourism etc.)
How do you know that ASL is not planning new routs?
Pristina was only evaluated as a potential destination, it was never seriously considered by the airline. There are a few more destinations to come before Pristina. Stay tuned. ;)
Not true, they will add JFK, ORD in late 2015, how can you know that at all?
Flights operate four times per week:
Tuesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
00.25-03.25
04.45-05.40
Atr-72
In fact, if anything would bury Cyrillic alphabet into oblivion it would be its on-duty 'protectors' who keep annoy and irritate even those people who would like to use Cyrillic. And who would turn any goddamn topic in this world into their personal Cyrillic crusade.
A city would need to be a super big destination by itself to sustain large numbers...
Notice how large Euro hubs are hubs for a reason: capital cities of larger nations (economically strong mostly) and have great historical, thus touristic value...
The growth at the moment is not congruent with economic and/or any other type of developments...
Not to sound mean, pessimistic, vile or whatever, I am just saying that every growth has to be sustainable and has to be justified.
Helsinki has a population of 620.000, HEL serves 15.200.000.
Copenhagen has 579,000 inhabitants, CPH handles 24.000.000 passengers.
Just to name a few. All of these cities/airports are home to a carrier operating a hub system.
So Belgrade with its 1,700,000 inhabitants could very well grow much more.
U citavoj ovoj prici jedina stvar koja je umjetna to je price fixing sve ostalo je fair game imo
INN-NS
Sa LOT-om ima i za 1100 eur YYZ-BEG-YYZ ako se putuje 20 DEC. :)
INN-NS
But still - this is a challenge for those who constantly predicted the PAX numbers for coming years. "How to increase PAX for additional 1.000.000.
1 million mean apx 2.800 new PAX per day.
To carry them with let us aay with A319 (128 seats) and LF cca 70% this simply means at least 30 additional movements.
So how to get this 30 new movements?
1. To increase frequency
2. To inaugurate new destinations by domestic carrier
3. To attract new carriers with new destination
but if we neglect above points the only way is to increase LF
e.g.: let's say that;
1. 1/3 is frequently of actual carries at the airport
2. 1/3 growth of domestic carrier ( 10 moves pr 5 new destinations on daily basis)
3. 1/3 growth of new airlines ( still 5 more new destinatios on daily basis)
I do challenge you to make a math on this issue
They have a lot of companies, infrastructure, their population has bigger purchasing power, visa free regime with most of the countries. Some of them (Denmark) have immigrants...
Finland has domestic traffic, along with Thessaloniki, that can be also added to the list...
I think Belgrade is quite fine, and I think 6 million pax in couple of years would be just fine, even if it can't go more than that.
We need to know that economic situation here is catastrophic, and it will stagnate, thus not keep up with Air Serbia's faith.
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INN-NS
Every now and then this blog is blessed with a post like this one. It really made me laugh, so I suggest reposting it on April 1 where it belongs.
GDP nominal per capita in Latvia: 16145$.
In Finland, the main question after graduation is: should I travel a year or two.
If you guys seriously believe that standard and quality of Air Serbia doesn't have to follow standard of Serbia, and that those countries mentioned above are not much better than Serbia economically, then I am sorry, I think I can't argue with you.
Zato zag ima duplo manje putnika nego BEG i ako ima neznam ni ja koliko milliona koreanskih turista.
INN-NS
INN-NS
AF ima kode share sa Air Serbijom na letovima za Pariz koju su dvaput dnevno, zato ne dolazi u BEG. Please no shit man. I nikako ne mozes da znas ta ce Srbija biti a sta nece. Molim te da zacepis pre nego sto se ovako sramotis..
Najvise bi voleo da vidim AY u BEG .AF nije bitan zato sto ASL ima codeshare sa njima.
Bicete iznenadjeni od ASL sledece godine i koliki ce rast imati LYBE.( Pogotovu u regionalnoj mrezi)
INN-NS
Everything Air Serbia does seems to indicate that it will rely more and more on connecting passengers in stead of local ones. Best proof, the immediate launch of double daily flights to Zagreb.
I hope I am wrong, but did you just say that ASL has to be on the brink of bankruptcy, giving shit to the passengers on board like that shit which are eating people in Serbia just to follow standard of Serbia? Omg you are something special.
INN-NS
Since those cities are almost 30 times more populated than Copenhagen, but have only maybe 4 or 6 times more passengers...
Economy is not a simple equation.
But you dont have to use economy knowledge now. Just pure logic.
HAHAHAHA ZAG nema 3 kompanije sa Bliskog istoka a o mogucnosti da EY dodje u ZAG su 0 kao i da se CTN proda.
INN-NS
As for ASL i simply don't get it how it would hurt them to put the Cyrillic version as the one per default for the Serbian-based IP-addresses instead of the Latin one.
1. Zagreb ima manje putnika od BEG (no ne duplo manje) zato što je jedan od 10 međunarodnih aerodroma u Hrvatskoj, koja ima bitno više putnika nego Srbija.
2. Uz to u krugu od 3 sata vožnje od Zagreba nalazi se 11 aerodroma koji preuzimaju putnike kao što su Beč, Bratislava, Budimpešta, Beograd, Ljubljana, Graz, Trst, Venecija, Rijeka, Zadar, Split. Beograd u istom tom krugu ima samo dva aerodroma (Budimpeštu i Zagreb)
3. 99% chartera iz mikroregije ide iz Ljubljane jer Slovenci imaju više odlaznih turista nego mi (naši više-manje idu na Jadran). Tako da iz Zagreba ide tek 4-5 letova prema charter destinacijama tjedno, dok iz Ljubljane toliko ide svaki dan. Na tim letovima oko 25% putnika je iz Zagreba i okolice. No, oni ne putuju iz Zagreba. Jednostavno agencijama je povoljnije nuditi let iz Ljubljane i za Slovence, i za Hrvate i za Talijane.
It's a bitter fight for each and every passenger out there, not really a perfect moment to play national pride and patriotism. Yes, perhaps they could introduce Cyrillic website and signs as third language but:
1. If they don't, it does not mean there is a huge conspiracy going on.
2. Number of alphabets in use is fine tuning. Before that, ASL has plenty of much more important things to deal with.
It's not as if BEG is not competing for passengers. Also, those who are not familiar with English or Serbian Cyrillic will have a lot of problems outside of ex-YU. ;)
- the current price war between LO and JU (unsustainable on the long-run)
- the fact that LOT has ridiculously high prices to places where Air Serbia can't compete and where they could eventually get some passengers
- the overall financial state of LOT
- the cutting of many high-profile routes this season
- the Air Serbia's more than double capacity on the route
- the fact that we were like 10-20 on the plane to WAW a month ago
...
All that gives you a quite pessimistic outlook for the route and makes you see them as the next carrier to leave Belgrade, or the most likely.
INN-NS
Sto se tice VAR, ona je vazna u sklopu regionalne strategije. INN spada u drugu kategoriju.
As for their presence in Belgrade, it's unfortunate that they had such light load when you flew. For example today there were 44 passengers departing Belgrade with them and that's quite solid for this time of the year.
Shame Lufthansa forced them to suspend the code-share. I am sure it will be back soon.
I don't get it.
Vucici je legenda nije Idiot neznam sto ga vredjate.A Dane legenda ako najavi letove ASL za USA/ Kinu u ZAG neznam ima da dozivite slog ;)
INN-NS
They have high migrating population. And oil. A lot.
Actually I was the one who was telling from the very beginning that the size of population is not as important as "quality" of population. As one of the arguments I said that it would mean that Bejibg should have 250 millions pax, and Belgrade should have at least 80 millions, which is impossible.
These kind of stuff aren't simple equations.. You can't just say:
500k : 25 millions = 2 millions : x.
We talk about economy, not arithmetics
INN-NS
Pod žetvom sam mislio na jedini dio zime u kojem su prihodi veliki i letovi profitabilni, no svakako nisam očekivao da Germanwings ima cijene 3 puta skuplje nego početkom prosinca, a ostali nekih 50-70% skuplje cijene. Malo previše, poglavito kod Germanwingsa.
А то да Хрватска има знатно више путника од Београда и није баш истина. Цена ваша лијепа има 1.5 милион путника више од Београда. Гледајући каква ће ситуација бити следећег лета, мислим да ћемо спасти на свега 500.000 што је ништа.
На крају крајева, ако ћемо тако да посматрамо ствари, онда Београд конкурише и са Тузлом и Темишварем.
Jedini koji se ovde sramote ste ti i ovo austrijsko derište kome krene da se priviđa Zagreb čim mu neko ne promeni pelene na vreme.
Šta misliš, zašto AF i KLM imaju codeshare sa ASL a ne lete samostalno? Misliš da ne bi više voleli da mogu da napune svoj avion na BEG? Naravno da bi više voleli ali šta da rade kad ne mogu da ga napune. Zato se i oslanjaju na codeshare, dok recimo BA niti leti za BEG niti ima codeshare sa ASL. I šta misliš, šta je tome razlog? Fenomenalna potražnja za Srbijom kao destinacijom? Probajte bre jednom u životu da mislite glavom i da shvatite da nije svrha postojanja BEG da svakog dana ponižava i pobeđuje ZAG (to samo austrijska derišta sanjaju kada im se ne dopadne crtani film uveče), nego mu je svrha da izvuče iz sebe maksimum, pokupi sve putnike koje može da ima i zaboravi na one koje ne može da ima.
Inače, tvoja codeshare logika govori da bi, na primer, čitava Star Alijansa trebalo da se povuče sa ZAG i ostavi da OU pokriva linije. Mislim, koji će im sopstvene linije kada imaju codeshare. Kad vidi čuda, oni to rade. Zapitaj se zašto.
Sta lupas? Odakle ti to da nema dnevnih novina? Zasto ne zastanes i ne razmislis malo pre nego sto pises ovde?
Ja nisam Austriski drzavljanin tako da i nemate potrebe da mi govorite deriste ili da nosim pelene.Nego je ovde zabranjeno braniti ASL ili LYBE od napada . BA AF-KLM leti za ZAG iz prostog razloga zato sto je CTN preskup i zbog Turista leti.
INN-NS
Неки од вас причају као да је Београд провинцијски аеродром са три авио компаније. Па шта ако нема КЛ, БА или АФ? Зато имамо Виз за Бове, Ајндховен и Лутон. Ер Србију за Хитроу као и 10 пута недељно за Амстердам и два пута на дан за Париз. Тржиште је већ засићено.
Разлог зашто лете за Загреб а не за Београд је зато што је ОУ знатно слабији играч ког могу лако да потамане. То није случај у Београду јер знају да иза ЈУ стоји Етихад.
INN-NS
Thank you.
Definitely non-linear prediction models should be utilized, but how precise any model can be without detailed airport and airline passenger plans?