Lufthansa and Swiss launching Ljubljana service

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Lufthansa CityLine and Swiss International Air Lines will introduce flights from Frankfurt, Munich and Zurich to Ljubljana this coming winter season.

Lufthansa will operate double daily flights from Frankfurt to the Slovenian capital starting October 27 using the Bombardier CRJ900 jet. Further details can be found here. Services from Munich will launch on November 1 and run daily, also with the 79-seat CRJ900. Additional flight information can be viewed here.

Swiss International Air Lines will inaugurate five weekly services from Zurich to Ljubljana on October 16, increasing to daily on October 27. Further flight details can be found here.

The Slovenian government recently announced it was in talks with members of the Lufthansa group to take over a select number of Adria Airways' routes following the latter's demise.

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    1. Early morning departures will be missed. First ones to leave LJU are around 0900-0945 HV JU TK
      Will see who is the first of foreign carriers to establish an early morning departure before 8h ex LJU.

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    2. Air Serbia wanted overnight flights to LJU but the airport is closed at that hour.

      My guess is that they wanted something like this:

      BEG-LJU 00.30-01.50
      LJU-BEG 04.40-06.00

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  2. Soon it will be like Adria never existed. Sad but true

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    1. +1000

      Adria employees are still shocked.

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    2. yes, interviews all over the place with cry my a river statements. and of course it's all the governemts fault and now slovenia will become the last village in the balkans, etc. etc. It makes a good laugh reading while sipping some coffee.

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    3. Generalizing with prejudices - usually done by primitives.
      Adria for sure had at least some, and I would say a lot, hard working people and good professionals.
      Laughing at their fate while sipping your coffee speaks about you, not them.

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  3. Can someone with more aviation knowledge comment if 1 month lead time is fast or slow
    for gigantic entity such as Lufthansa group?

    I was expecting less than a week before connectivity is restored but I do understand that in huge companies approvals and scheduling takes time.

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    1. 1 month is nothing. My bet is they were prepared for this scenario months in advance.

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    2. I was expecting it will take at least a month or two. So in my opinion less than 4 weeks is actually extra fast.

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    3. yup, as the previous reply says...1 month is peanuts. You have to arrange availability of plane, crew, slots at both ends, hire ground/operations crew at one end, make IT arrangements in all the systems, etc. etc. They were at least somewhat prepared.

      For example if someone would want to hire people from Adria (let's say for ground ops at lju), they will have a 15 day notice period, so there is half a month.

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    4. Thank you anons! I understand now whats involved and how dificult it is to start a new service.

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    5. In Switzerland they say that LX to LJU will start 16oct and that also LH to FRA will start before WITT. In my eyes this is quite fast

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    6. This is very fast. I'm surprised that they haven't already released their crew schedules that they can't change fundamentally once released.

      I wonder what they cancel in order to free up the capacity. Or they wetlease someone (Nordica/Air Nostrum/CityJet) to fly another line of flying, freeing up a Cityline aircraft.

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    7. Lh has only switch the Frankfurt - Trieste route into a Fra - Lju connection. Trs - Fra services were scheduled and bookable also for the winter timetable, but a few days after Adria went bunkrupt Lh cancelled the already planned Trieste - frankfurt route. That's why Lh managed to introduce new flights to lju in a very short time using the same aircrafts, same crews, and there aere also the same flight times bwt trs to fra and lju to fra.

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  4. LX will be flying A220! Nice!

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  5. Congrats Ljubljana. You really did deserve some serious airlines which will return faith also to the passengers, which in the last few years avoided LJU because of the Adria's reputation.

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  6. WOW, thats fast. I was sure that LJ is done and that Zagreb will take over with mini-buses.

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  7. Interesting that OS has not announced anything, I guess MUC will handle the traffic.

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    1. OS is marketing KLU as THE alternative to LJU.

      OS is already flying three times daily to KLU (one hour away from Brnik) and they offer great connections so I kinda understand their decision not to cannibalize their own existing flight ops. Out of SN/LH/LX/OS combo they are the only ones flying to KLU.

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  8. Are the locals still hoping this airlines will have cheap fares? Reading the Slovenian newspapers last days, all wishing bankruptcy for Adria... I guess in a year or two they will realize how it was nice to have flag carrier.

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    1. well you have to elaborate which locals. The local locals alias average Joe from the farm want LCCs and prices of 1 euro for flight to Kuala Lumpur, everything else is per definition deemed expensive. The other locals are the establishment locals, who's ticket is paid by the government and/or their company, and they more or less care less about the ticked price. They are more crying that for starters there won't be as many rotations, cause it's all for their convenience. Like the statement on TV of the former supervisory board president that JP must fly to SJJ because he has lectures there :D

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    2. yes… and pay 500€ for JP's fligth to Munich for example.

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    3. Actually by the looks of it fares are now half the price of what Adria offered. I think many will be very happy with that replacement.

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    4. Fares are low because flights were just released so planes are empty. CRJ is not a cheap plane to operate so expect high fares. LH is not known for cheap flights, look at their tickets from ZAG.

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    5. What exactly is the advantage of a state-owned flag carrier? If the routes are profitable, it doesn't matter which airline serves them, and without state funding, the fares are bound to be market-based (i.e., competitive). If certain routes are not profitable, a state-supported flag carrier is just wasting taxpayers' money on them, while charging fares that are out of reach for most of those people.

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    6. The locals are hoping that bankruptcy of Adria will bring LCC to LJU. It will not. SLO is too small market for LCC. LCC don't have 100 seaters. And why would Ryanair move from TRS to LJU? To have service from both is just stupid. Wizz is serving VIE and BUD. Why would they increase the operations from LJU? Can someone explain this to me?

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    7. Its not about LCCs, its about Adria having insane price tickets for Ljubljana. I was flying from/to Trieste with Lufthansa (transfer), because it was significantly cheaper. Now I hope the market will correct itself some, because we will have competitive alliances in Ljubljana. I will still fly the best option I find (time and price) whether its Ljubljana, Venice, Trieste or Zagreb - Star Aliance, SkyTeam or oneworld or LCC.

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  9. Let's see how long will Swiss fly to Lju, because on those flights more than 50% of passengers were transit from Prn,Tia and others

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    1. Exactly, I don't think LX will last long, especially not since there are not that many Slovenes in Switzerland. My guess is that eventually they will stay seasonal there in summers.

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    2. LX will switch to a smaller aircraft when and if necessary.

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    3. What smaller aircraft than this?

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    4. Not true. Transfer pax were mainly on JP 365 and 306. Other flights 90% LJU fin dest and even lots of ZRH dest
      ZRH needs min 1 flight a day. LX will easy survive. U also forget, people fm Kaernten all fly to LJU

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    5. You say one thing, LX pricing says a whole different thing.

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    6. And not true to you too.
      Some people from Carinthia may use LJU but certainly not all- GRZ is just an hour drive and of course the 3x daily from KLU to VIE

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    7. @13:12 - Swiss also uses Helvetic (E190) to operate some flights. Most likely will use it for LJU route as well.

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  10. The fact OS is not back tells us how much ripping off LH did. JP was flying these passengers for next to nothing.

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    1. well OS has foremost a plane capacity problem. When JP ceased operations, OS had to cancel some flight because they didn't have any spare planes right then and there.

      but the VIE line was always the thinnest, a lot of times covered by only Saab...so probably is not at the top of OS's priority list the very first second.

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    2. well is there really a need for VIE when there is MUC right there offering much more? Also from LH fares we can see that they are not interested in chasing market share in LJU.

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  11. Has anyone checked their fares? LX is dumping probably as a desperate move to attract transfers.

    I looked at LJU-CPH and LX is around €190, LH is €300. This is without luggage for this November.

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    1. Why desperate? It's a "new" connection so promotions are in place and it's low season too. Where is the problem?

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    2. Desperate because there are no locals.

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  12. After all the pathetic crying and fake alarmism for various parts:
    "we are and we will be isolated from Europe", "we don't have connections for the Eu presidency (it will be in July -December 2021 not tomorrow go figure!)"... blabla...
    Do people talking like that really believe what they are saying or is it just political propaganda?
    Lufthansa and Swiss are already there :)

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  13. Funny - no media in Slovenia published this news yet...

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    1. Wow really? Is it everyone sleeping there?

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    2. Now finally some media is announcing this, but not as headline.... I think they're shocked how quickly things are happening...

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  14. Thank you LH and LX. Finally you are here. Have been missing and waiting for you for quite some time now.

    Greetings fm Dubrovnik. Drove by this morning at DBV Airport, amazing what they have done since I ve been here last time 2002

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    1. You make it sound as if LJU was dead without their flights on small regional jets.

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    2. Not dead, but reliable again. Last 4 years I made over 70 flights on JP and last 2 years were getting annoying. Swissair was from 1989 to 2001 an excellent choice and Slovenias real gate to the world. Good to hve them back and good to hve LH first time ever at Brnik

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    3. I'm quite sure LH used to fly to LJU back in the 90's.

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    4. Never. LH Cargo had scheduled 737F back in the early 80s or late 70s, but no passenger flights. They always relied on JP, even before Star Alliance Membership of JP, LH and JP worked closely together.
      We had OS, SR, LX, SN and BA here

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  15. Perfect timetable for Scandinavian travelers

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  16. While they are announcing flights for November Air Serbia is sending two Atrs to LJU tonight at the same time after sending B733 in the morning. :D :D

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  17. Some of these Slovenes are really a bunch of arrogant pri*ks. Trying to find a fair ticket price to LUX for Nov. Guess what, LJU doesn't even come close to ZAG, VCE or TRS. So much for low prices after Adria's demise. But at least I won't be listening to "I don't want to give Adria my money. I rather give it to Jankovic" anymore. And these people get to vote, what's up with that.

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    1. Since you brought up Jankovic: Do you think he'd be where he is today without direct and indirect state support? It was cronyism around Mercator, another Slovenian quasi-monopolist, that put him on the map. State support of private companies breeds corruption.

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    2. I guess Jankovic must be guilty of everything because of his ethnicity ?!

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    3. What does Jankovic's ethnicity have to do with anything?

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    4. For some very sick people everything has everything to do with ethnicity - they base their lives on blood and soil theory and measure everything only and only by ethnicity. And there are such from Triglav to Gevgelija. Elsewhere too, of course, but this is ex-yu

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    5. @Pozdrav iz Rijeke: I agree, but it was Anonymous@18:07 who brought up Jankovic's "ethnicity," presumably referring to the fact that he has a Serbian father. That, of course, is irrelevant to this discussion.

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    6. For all I care, his last name could have been Novak. He's a crook and every one (except a few smartass Slovenians) knows that. But at least Ljubljana is the most beautiful city in the world.

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  18. LH Group: mission accomplished. Small StarAlliance airline Adria: kaput. Etihad Regional: kaput. Key LJU transfer markets (FRA, MUC, ZRH, BRU): under LH control.

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    1. totally rubish. it was cheaper for LH to let JP fly those routes

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    2. hahah, some people here simply still seem to have that communism attitude.

      LH group will have difficulties getting those flight profitable year round. As last anon say it is cheaper for LH to have JP or OU fly instead of flying themselves. LH costs are way higher and demand is low, so filling those flights at reasonable prices will be hard. There is a reason why JP vanished.

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    3. Don't get that communism thing with me. If LH costs are way higher and demand is low, then LH please DON'T fly to LJU and don't lose money! But they do want to fly there.

      LH is NOT just about profits, it's about TOTAL CONTROL of CEE aviation market first and foremost. If you don't know this or deny this goal, please don't make any more comments.

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    4. Anonymous@16:56: How can the LH Group have total control of the market when it has serious competitors such as Air France-KLM and Turkish?

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    5. AF/KL are relatively small players in CEE, same for BA/IB. Turkish is funneling CEE passengers to ME, Asia, Africa and other markets, but TK is not focused on destroying LH Group on routes within CEE like ZAG-FRA or BEG-MUC. LH eventually want majority of that market split between them and ULCCs.

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    6. True, but Turkish has wisely focused on connecting CEE to the Middle East and Asia, and it's -- to borrow your analogy -- destroying just about everyone on routes to Istanbul. Also, with its recent route expansion, Air France-KLM has shown its long-term commitment to LJU, so Slovenian travelers will have a choice of at least two airline groups when connecting to the West.

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    7. Actually, in LJU one of LH Group's main competitors will be JU for the Balkan market. In the past these passengers were mostly handled by JP-OS combination via Vienna. OS is not here, MUC is too far north so that leaves the market to JU. As for the Middle East, that's where TK will dominate and to a lesser extent JU.

      LH Group will compete with AF-KL for North American and Western European passengers. Of course, it doesn't help that LH has a pretty bad timetable in LJU.

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  19. One thing that no one mentions is the bad publicity LH Group got. How many of their travellers were stranded in MUC, FRA, VIE, ZRH... because they couldn't fly them home.

    The amount of negative press is crazy. Just imagine how badly these passengers were handled.

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    1. Absolute bad crisis management of LH group. They had
      the power to to at least establish one daily flight to one of their hubs at least since WITT 2018, whether JP accepted this or not. But since they had 6 a/c fm JP on lease, they cld hve pushed JP to xfer one slot to them. It was clear in 2018 that JPs days were counted

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  20. Swiss will start on October 16. Initially 5 pw, operated by Helvetic Airways. From October 27 7 pw, operated by Swiss.

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  21. LX starts already on 16 Oct. 5 times per week operated by Helvetic. Will switch to daily and Swiss A220 from Winter timetadle.

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  22. Good! Instead of letting ordinary people subsidize a loss-making airline, they're letting the market determine who flies where and for how much -- exactly how aviation works in most of the developed world.

    In this case, the Slovenian government made the right decision.

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    1. And how do we know that the government isn't subsidising these routes?! Weren't they publicly announcing it a few days ago?

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    2. As far as I know, they haven't made any decisions regarding subsidies yet.

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    3. Because they HAVE to be transparent about possible subsidies.

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    4. Oh, really. Just like people breaking the law HAVE to be held accountable. But they are not, look at Jankovic and the likes. Not in Slovenistan.

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    5. In order to subsidize any routes, there has to be a public tender above a certain amount, which with subsidies it 100% would be.

      And tenders in Slovenia take months, not 2 days.

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  23. There are still no "Light" fares in the system (LX, LH). Brussels is a bit slow, on their web page no Ljubljana bookings yet.

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  24. Anonymous@13:49: Adria didn't need any help going out of business. It was already doing poorly before 4K bought it; that's why it was essentially given to a shady German investment fund and not sold to, say, the LH Group or Turkish.

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  25. No VIE, at least for now: Austrian Airlines will offer its passengers up to three daily connections from Vienna to Klagenfurt as an alternative to the termination of Adria Airways flight operations to Ljubljana.

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  26. Any chance that Finnair would extend their service to winter season?

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    1. No way. Be to beautiful with 2 flights weekly.Just my wish too.

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  27. This just proves that LH was not behind 4K as some experts were stating...

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  28. Won't just prices stay the same as they were with JP? I mean, 4 destinations with 3 new carriers but all are basically LH. So won't the prices just stay the same high as they always have, since LH has the Monopoly now? Do swiss, Lufthansa, Austrian and belgian even compete against each other?

    To me it seems there's not going to be any competition here.

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  29. Balkan is now cut out from Ljubljana as a transfer that Adria flew. Balkan passengers cannot now sit on Lufthansa routes that are introduced because there are no connections from Ljubljana to Balkan.

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    1. They are not cut from LJU since they can fly on JU.

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  30. Anonymous@21:20: Don't forget Air France and Transavia, which serve two of Europe's most important hubs. There's also Turkish for everything to the east of Europe.

    Anonymous@21:51: Most Balkan cities have direct flights to major destinations these days, so the number of transfer passengers had been falling for years. That's one reason why Adria's business model was doing so poorly.

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    1. Nonsense. If that were true JU and LO wouldn't be getting more and more transfers from the Balkans. Who do you think LO is filling its planes with in Belgrade? Locals heading to Poland?

      What did happen is that locals have LCCs to many secondary and tertiary airports so they no longer have to take the bus from the Balkans to the west.

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    2. People fly LOT because Warsaw has direct intercontinental flights. LJU does not.

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