Ryanair has finalised its 2023/24 winter season schedule for Croatia, with the carrier putting over 404.000 seats on sale to and from its Zagreb base from the end of October 2023 until the end of March 2024. Based on its published schedule, the budget carrier will discontinue operations from Zagreb to Podgorica, Sofia and Manchester. In a press release, the carrier did not address the cancellations, noting, “Ryanair has launched its biggest ever Winter ’23 schedule with over 404.000 seats for Croatia’s holidaymakers looking to soak up some winter sun with friends and family or simply looking to liven up the drearier winter months with some overseas adventures. Operating from the end of October ’23 to the end of March ’24, Ryanair’s Winter ’23 schedule offers an unbeatable choice of popular ski, Christmas market, seasonal shopping, city escape and winter sun destinations at the lowest fares in Europe”. The airline still reserves the right to change and modify its network.
Despite the discontinuation of a select number of routes, Ryanair will increase frequencies to several destinations for the upcoming winter when compared to the 2022/23 season. They include Malaga, Dublin, Gothenburg and Malta. Services to Malaga, Gothenburg and Malta will run three times per week compared to last year’s two, while operations to the Irish capital will increase from three to four weekly. On the other hand, Bergamo will be reduced from five to four weekly rotations. Frequencies on all other routes out of Zagreb remain unchanged compared to the 2022/23 winter season, with exception to Dortmund which was terminated this March. Services to Podgorica, Sofia and Manchester were all maintained twice per week last winter.
During the upcoming winter season, Ryanair will remain Zagreb’s second largest carrier by seat capacity, holding a market share of 21.5%, behind Croatia Airlines but ahead of Lufthansa and Turkish Airlines. Ryanair commenced operations to Podgorica in 2021. Prior to that the route was served by Croatia Airlines from 2008 until the summer of 2013. The low cost carrier also launched services to Sofia and Manchester in 2021, which were both unserved. Last year, Ryanair handled 28.745 passengers on its Podgorica service, 28.293 travellers on its Manchester flights and 21.049 passengers on its Sofia operations.
What happened to "we will station 7 planes in zagreb within 3 years"?
ReplyDeleteYesterday was election campaign. Today you voted for us.
DeleteThis is by far the best description of Ryan I’ve ever heard of. And it is witty too! :)
Delete"" @Anonymous09:01
DeleteWhat happened to "we will station 7 planes in zagreb within 3 years"? ""
Where and when anyone here said 7 Ryanair aircraft will be stationed in Zagreb??
Ryan air has base in Zagreb atm with 3 aicraft based there.
* 3 planes in 7 years seems more appropriate.
DeleteWell, it ended up being 3 planes in six months in case you're not aware.
DeleteOK. let’s clear this once and for all, At no point anyone that I can remember has said that Ryan Air will base 7 aircraft in Zagreb, Ryan Air itself said they plan to base 4-5 aircraft in Zagreb, "eventually"!!! Even this blog posted this. Also Ryan air started to fly to Zagreb in late 2019, few months later airspace across the EU was shut down for obvious reasons unless you missed first 2 years of 2020s, and just woke up. 2023 if first year of normal operations in Croatia and much of the EU, Ryan air slash their expansion plans across the network and will halt their expansion till they finalize purchase of 300 B737 MAX aircraft. Once they’re set they’ll head back in to expanding their network. Now if you followed airline and aviation news you’d know that, but no you’re just a troll who makes stupid and pointless trolling posts. I am sure if I was your employer and employed you in any capacity you’d face immediate sack for just being annoying liar and a troll.
DeleteRyanair did not start to fly to Zagreb in late 2019 it started flying to Zagreb in June 2, 2021.
DeletePro-Ryanair, anti-Ryanair, pro-Zagreb, anti-Zagreb. All these comments are so tedious. And most are factually wrong.
Delete@Anonymous15:38
DeleteMy bad, sorry thought it was 2019, the fact it started in the middle of the pandemic... illustrates my point even better.
Not really. If you take a look at statistics published here you will see that there is simply no demand for these routes. Even OU wanted to launch Sofia but decided against it. There is next to no demand from Zagreb to the Balkan region. Only Istanbul has some normal frequencies and that is probably because of Asian transfers same with BEG which survives only because JU sends the Atr.
Delete@Anonymous22:19
DeleteThe argument isn't about the route, but how many planes supposed to be based at Zagreb, by Ryan Air. I have no idea if there's demand for Sofia or Podgorica, I presume there's some, but not much if any. Manchester has demand, but complications with Schengen makes things bit more difficult for UK market. London being exception here, there's always a demand for London. The fact that Ryan air has its own strategy, and they'll deploy or commission noumber of routes they feel there's chance for them to make a decent profit, out of Zagreb. How many routes that is, we'll see.
So a net loss of 3 weekly flights. Not so bad.
ReplyDelete5 weekly when you factor in SKG.
DeleteThis is bad because ZAG is losing out on its connectivity
If you count Baden Baden too it is even more.
DeleteSKG was not operated last winter.
DeleteThe net loss is 4 weekly flights counting Baden Baden. Thessaloniki didn't operate last winter season.
Delete4 weekly might not be bad but when you look at the list of destinations then it's worse. ZAG is losing regional connectivity. Remains to be seen what OU does with ZAG-SKP now that W6 is launching SKP-LJU. OU is selling on way for 130 Euros while W6 is like 25.
DeleteSorry my bad, it is net loss of five weekly flights. I missed the part where it says Bergamo is being reduced from 5 to 4 weekly.
DeleteActually the situation is the following
DeleteSOF, MAN, TGD, FKB cancelled = 8 weekly flights less
BGY decreased = 1 weekly flight less
AGP, MLA, DUB, GOT increased = 4 weekly flights more
In total there are 5 weekly rotations less comparing to the previous winter or in total approx 7000 seats less per month.
Did DTM, MMX and BTS operate last winter?
DeleteThere were no flights last winter from ZAG to MMX and BTS, but you are right about DTM.
DeleteThey did operate it last winter.
@admin, I think there is a mistake about Baden Baden. Ryanair operated it last winter and will operate it this winter too.
Yes, it's just 5 weekly flights Judging by the comments here, one would think it's a discontinuation of five hundred and fifty flights.
DeleteI think that 7000 seats is not "just" especially in slow winter months.
DeleteIt means 5% of all January 2022 traffic.
Quite a lot I would say.
7000 seats on offer that were cut from routes with the lowest load factor. You do realise that 7000 seats on sale does not equate to 7000 passengers?
DeleteWe are talking here about total offer being decreased from ZAG.
DeleteWith Ryanair's LF in ZAG it is around 6000 passengers.
We can't know if the cut routes had bad LF or bad yield. I am inclined to believe that it is the latter.
Podgorica was definitely about yield because the traffic was more than impressive - same as Manchester on same frequencies...but with prices ~ 3x cheaper.
DeleteThen both ZAG and TGD raised the pax fees. Ryan put the blame on TGD but I still remember how nuts they went in April when ZAG increased its pax fees. Mind you, next year FR will be down to only 10% of discount on all of its routes.
Basically instead of paying 19€ they'll be paying 17€ just in ZAG, with that having been close to an average one way ticket price to TGD.
I think at the same time people weren't ready to pay much more for this route while Podgorica, as good as it was, had probably reached the LF peak or thereabouts, so increasing frequencies and prices was out of the question.
This means, with 2 weekly flights, even if the planes were 100% full, Ryan would be losing money on this route.
Manchester and Sofia on the other hand, were about LF imo. Tickets to MAN were among the most expensive ones, while 28k pax and only 2 flights a week seems much less impressive for a city of 2 million, compared to Podgorica.
And SOF was literally their worst performing route.
@12:44 Here is a free statistics lesson for you: the *average* load factor across Ryanair's *network* is not the same as the load factor on the three worst-performing routes from Zagreb.
DeleteAnd how do you genius know that LF is the worst on these 3 routes?
DeleteFlights get cancelled because airline can't earn anymore money on some route and when yield is bad.
One can have 70%LF and great yield and another one can have 99% LF and bad yield.
Gosh, these are the basics.
Yes, I am sure these three routes had a load factor of 99%.
DeleteYou still don't get it.
DeleteLF is not that important.
You do realize that FR was cheap to Sofia and Manchester? It's not like they were charging €100 one way so as to be pringing money on these routes. They underperformed and FR moved capacity elsewhere.
DeleteIf I were ZAG I would start worrying why I can't sustain year-round flights to some key European and regional destinations.
@21:11 You were talking about how many passengers Zagreb would lose. So yes it's all about the load factor. But you know that already.
DeleteGood morning Ex-YU Aviation, it's actually 4 routes that are being discontinued. Ryanair will not be flying ZAG-SKG this winter season either.
ReplyDeleteI remember when I said this was going to happen I was being attacked by a certain gentleman/lady on here. Here we are.
SKG has not been operated in winter season 2022/2023.
DeleteThessaloniki is a seasonal summer service.
DeleteAnon 9:02, here is your answer, genius.
DeleteAre we going to hear back from the hater who made this comment? No, I thought not.
DeleteI'm here friends! Still they decided not to turn it into a year round route so there's that. Also are we going to hear from the person who mocked me when I said TGD and SOF were also cut? I guess not.
DeleteFlew quite few times with them to Manchester, really loved the route as it was the best option for me being from Celje (Slovenia). Flights were usually pretty full actually or at least I have flown on those. Now I will need to fly there with transfers from with Airfrance from LJU or KLM from ZAG
ReplyDeletewith transfers by
DeleteI usually booked Manchester like 2 months in advance and it was always around 55-70 euros return
DeleteReturn? That's really, really cheap especially since neither ZAG nor MAN are cheap airports. FR's costs were quite high over there.
DeleteYes return. And thats why I am devastated that the route is gone.
DeleteThat's why we miss Monarch, they were really good on this route and they even sent A321. I think they had a great relationship with tour operators something FR doesn't have.
Delete@ 9:03
DeleteFR, I think, flies to MAN from KLU. I've used them in December 2022, or you can fly to DUB from KLU and then take one of the many flights to either LPL or MAN from there. Fares are really affordable, too. At least they were when I used them.
Thank you very much. I looked it up and they are currently not operating the flights, maybe in winter but thank you anyways!
DeleteKLU will only have London flights this winter, seems like they are exiting the airport
DeleteThats what I saw as well. Currently they are operating to Alicante and Palma besides Stansted.
DeleteThose are the effects of the economic slowdown. Smaller airports will be the first one to feel the pinch.
DeleteManchester-Zagreb fares were fourth highest after Dublin, Stansted and Malaga. It's a surprise Ryanair is cutting this route. Sofia and Podgorica on the other hand we're always low-yield.
DeleteRegarding the discussion on KLU-MAN/DUB flights I just saw this:
DeleteKlagenfurt's new airport director, Maximilian Wildt, told the "Kleine Zeitung" that the 3 destinations mentioned [MAN, DUB &CRL] were "still pending". In the previous year, these would have been less booked than London-Stansted. Currently, these routes are not in Ryanair's reservation system but the resumption of these destinations offered in the previous season is open.
So, still possible but unlikely. I guess FR is waiting if KLU is going to cough up for the extra subsidies / financial incentives.
Look im not saying it's bad, but Zagreb airport must be fuming.
ReplyDeleteThey reduced the fees to minimum because of all the promises FR made and now every year they are getting less and less routes. It sucks and I can't belive in saying this - I'm with Croatia Airlines here... The situation is unacceptable
What I find crazy is that they didn't get any guarantees from FR that these destinations must be kept for at least several years.
DeleteSo far FR has terminated 7 routes out of ZAG: DTM, BTS, MMX, SOF, SKG, TGD and MAN.
Vinci isn't that stupid, they probably had a clause in the contract. But what should they do? Sue Ryanair and risk them closing the base all together?
DeleteThey literally can't win
^ Vinci does not run Zagreb Airport.
DeleteExactly and Vinci has experience working with LCCs, their airports have a long-term and favorable relationship with them.
DeleteSorry my bad - I always had in mind that Vinci is operating both Zagreb and Belgrade.
DeleteIn any case the airport operator is in lose-lose situation
Zagreb is managed by Aeroports de Paris and TAV, with almost all management positions being held by TAV.
DeleteCrazy how well TAV is doing in SKP yet they seem to be so confused and lost in ZAG. Is it time for a management reshuffle?
Deletebeeing from Skopje I can only tell how crazy it is that they are giving such discounts in ZAG but not in SKP :) They are a bit "stubborn" when it comes to dicsounts at SKP, thats our feeling, but maybe thats for a good reason
DeleteOnly goes to show that SKP has healthy enough demand so they don't have to give such large discounts. Look at ZAG they gave FR everything their heart desired and they discontinued like 6 or 7 routes. On the other hand W6 keeps on thriving in SKP/
DeleteAll you haters need a reality check. Talking about seven discontinued routes when in reality Ryanair has only discontinued Dortmund so far and SOF, TGD and MAN will be discontinued in a few months.
DeleteSo one route plus three more to come.
DeleteWhy would Zagreb Airport be fuming at the loss of five weekly flights compared to last winter?
DeleteBecause they are losing money with every Ryanair flight, and were promised much much more
DeleteSo when they lose money with every Ryanair flight, they will loose less money with less flights.
DeleteSo why to complain?
Actually you talk nonsense.
Losing money with every Ryanair flight??? Do you understand anything about how airports function?
DeleteYou do not know nothing, yes they are loosing money on RA operation because there is no volume. They gave them big discounts.
DeleteAnyone know when ZAG is going to publish their financial performance? Issue here for ZAG is not so much loss of weekly frequencies but rather the loss of overall connectivity.
Delete"@Anonymous18:27
DeleteLosing money with every Ryanair flight??? Do you understand anything about how airports function? "
He does not, he is a troll. Croatia bad, Zagreb bad. You'll see him post all sorts of nonsense to justify his hatred of Zagreb or Croatia. Not sure, was he deported from Croatia once?
Actually he proved with his second comment that he doesn't know anything about aviation so I was right. First he used "RA" for Ryanair and then he said there is "no volume" when in fact Zagreb's relationship with Ryanair is ALL about volume.
DeleteThis is what happens, if you don't use it you lose it. Locals do not fly much despite what a few of you on here think.
ReplyDeleteActually the flights to Manchester were full - at least when i flown with them... It's probably a yield thing
DeleteObviously there was a reason whey the flights were full - low ticket price.
DeleteButtttt that's the whole point of LOW COST carrier
DeleteYes but they didn't operate Maribor-Doncaster, it was ZAG-MAN two rather expensive airports and the flight wasn't that short. Their costs were quite high.
DeleteNot always. They will rip you off as soon as they get the chance.
DeleteWhat I think happened with these routes is that they tried to increase the fares but there were no takers. That is why you could see on their website discounts and sales for these underperforming routes.
DeleteThis doesnt make sense.
DeleteIf you increase fares you dont offer on your website discounts...
Ryanair offers discounts every two weeks network-wide.
DeleteThey couldn't compete with Air Serbia to Podgorica/Sofia.
ReplyDeleteLol?
DeleteThey have like 50 weekly flights to those destinations with a lot more flexibility from Zagreb.
True dat.
DeleteEspecially since JU has a Monday morning arrival from Sofia so you can connect to ZAG and be there at 08.30. I't's a great schedule if you are a businessman.
DeleteJU are doing quite good in SOF. Plus, many travel banners of Serbia are appearing in variious Bulgarian travel portals. Hopefully, they do well in VAR, even though BOJ makes more sense.
Delete11:09 more than half is transfer pax
DeleteBEG-VAR does really, really, really well from the first flight. There is no flight with less than 40 passengers and that's on a bad day. There are some with 62 or 63 passengers. What I found very interesting is that BEG-BUD started having as good loads as BEG-PRG.
Deleteit could be worse, Tragic: OU, infrastructure (Railways), marketing and the start of financial crisis!
ReplyDeleteBased on the number of passengers, Sofia was their worst performing route from ZAG. So not such a big surprise.
ReplyDeleteAnd we were listening for ages the ideas of so called "regional site" how OU should introduce flights ZAG-SOF due to the fact that this line "has potential".
DeleteBig travelers in Zagreb and Sofia.
DeleteWell OU did plan to launch Sofia in summer 2020 but with Dash and seasonal. That actually could have worked. An A320 year-round, not so much.
DeleteLet's not expect much from OU. Even their ZAG-OMO route is mostly cancelled. I suppose loads must be abysmal but hey at least they got the money for it.
DeleteStop lying loads are but but flights are not cancelled
DeleteJasmineeeeeee!!!! Jes'ti to? Pa sa' se ljutis odma'? Neka malo dramat'ke 😃
Delete?
DeleteIt just shows why the flights were full - due to low ticket price.
ReplyDeleteAnd that kind of situation can't last long even if you pay only 5 EUR tax (or 2 EUR as Mr. Bajic said).
Winter is coming.
DeleteAnd what's wrong with people flying when prices are cheap?
DeleteNothing, but they can' expect it will last long.
DeleteAir travel is cheaper than it has ever been.
DeleteBut not 29.99eur cheap
DeleteIt's actually cheaper. You can fly with Ryanair from Banja Luka to Berlin for 20 euros on Friday and for 15 euros next week Monday
DeleteThere are too many destinations being cancelled from ZAG from the moment FR started operating there.
ReplyDeleteBecause it shows that in reality the market itself is not that big. I think ZAG's maximum potential is between 4 and 4.5 million passengers and that is me being overly optimistic. That is why ZAG needs a local operator who can fly around with regional jets. There are only a few markets where A320/738 can operate profitably.
Delete+100! True!
DeleteCan ZAG still make it to 3.8 this year?
ReplyDeleteMany other airlines are increasing flights. The loss of 5 weekly Ryanair flights won't make such a major difference.
DeleteSo Zagreb will officially be behind Tirana this year.
DeleteAnd how many frequencies are being added by foreigners? If we exclude KLM which tends to cancel their plans we come to maybe extra 5 or 6 weekly flights.
DeleteI think demand is becoming softer in ZAG due to the crisis. The other day we saw LO boost BEG to all E95 and a week after they icreased it to 12 weekly. In ZAG they didn't add flights and most flights are operated by E70/75. Demand is obviously not there.
Maybe we see FR launch OSI-MAN. That route would make a lot of sense.
@anon 09:37
DeleteZagreb is way under TIA with or without these cancellations.
Maybe you meant PRN?
He probably meant Tirana but is so clueless that he doesn't even know what the numbers are. The point of the comment is to fire a shot at Zagreb.
DeleteZagreb Airport is still on course for a good winter. Capacity is currently up almost 16% for W23/24 compared to W19/20, if travel period November until March 1 is taken into account, considering the effects of the covid pandemic on the rest of March 2020.
Delete@anon 11:51 That's it. Seems the same guy every time too, spamming every article on ZAG with same nonsense.
DeleteThank you Ex-Yu, that is interesting.
DeleteSo with FR and foreign carriers increasing flights this winter ZAG is only 16% up from pre-covd levels? I remember BEG and SKP were much higher when their customers announced their summer plans. I am not impressed by ZAG's winter performance.
DeleteZagreb should do 3.8 million this year, could be even 3.9 million, we'll see.
Delete"Only" 16%?? What planet have you come from to call that only?
DeleteIs it Sofia suspended for winter or is gone for good? How was the performance: LF, income on this route? Prices on the Zagreb - Sofia routr, most of the time, were very convenient.
ReplyDeleteTaking in consideration they were flying SOF last winter I think it gone for good, same as TGD and MAN.
DeletePeople were saying last year that Malmo and SKG were gone but they ended up coming back.
DeleteSurprised on Manchester but most disappointed that we lose flights connections in the region with the loss of Podgorica and to a lesser degree Sofia. Guess Ryanair are struggling to compete against FlixBus on these routes!!
ReplyDeleteI do not know what is the price of bus ticket, but the very cheapest price for return FR ticket ZAG-TGD with 20kg luggage is 115 EUR, but mostly the price goes to min 150 EUR.
DeleteNot sure what Ryanair's shortest segment is, but ZAG-TGD must be somewhere in the top with less than 250nm.
DeleteFR price is almost identical as Air Montenegro LJU-TGD, so this FR flights don't attract lots of travelers from Slovenia.
DeleteSo in a way YM killed them as they didn't allow them to attract passengers from Slovenia? They defended really well their market so good for them. They fought off a predator. I guess they and JU will profit them most from all this.
DeleteRyanair realised Vračar was in Belgrade and couldn't sustain Podgorica flights :-)
ReplyDeleteyou know, there's also a world out of your bubble and people travel to other destinations as well
DeleteAha, that's why they cancel.
DeleteThis is all result of aggressive OU campaign, consisting of increased number of routes and frequencies with slashing the fare rates at the same time. Classical example of synergy between successful legacy carrier and home airport.
ReplyDeleteAnd who is to be praised for that : Jasmineeee!!! Dje si? 😃
DeleteSo now neither ZAG or LJU will have flights to the Manchester area (Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds...). Could maybe Easyjet be interested in MAN-LJU flights? If there is a possibility that they apply to the subsidy program? Or maybe Maribor-Manchester as Maribor desperetley need flights and would be slightly cheaper for Ryanair/Easyjet than ZAG or LJU
ReplyDeleteNon-EU destinations are not eligible for the subsidy.
DeleteMaribor Manchester???
DeleteYes as an alternative to cover both Ljubljana and Zagreb as they both loosed their MAN flights (Adria used to fly there). It would be cheaper than flying from Lju or Zag as well.
Deletethe only ExYu destination (beside domestic flights to DBV/SPU) from ZAG which would have made sense for FR is SKP but they were only going for "unserved" routes (aka 2€ taxes)
ReplyDeleteWith YM killing ZAG-TGD with their TGD-LJU flights I don't see FR daring to launch ZAG-SKP and to fight the pink fury on SKP-LJU. Macedonians love Wizz Air and they can't get enough of their cheap fares. Our region isn't exactly in love with FR.
DeleteYes, our region is in love with Ryanair. It carries far more passengers than Wizz Air does.
DeleteI'm wondering if they will maintain ZAG ops with 2 planes this winter or 3?
ReplyDeleteThree. The schedule is clear. Three planes will be used Friday to Monday. One plane Tuesday to Thursday.
DeleteOU are crazy if they don’t bring back MAN now. With A220 this is their last chance to re establish themselves on the UK market and bring back routes like LGW-DBV also otherwise they will be totally wiped out of the market by LCCs and BA who are strong in SPU & DBV.
ReplyDeleteLOL!! They are not crazy. They don't care because they got their fat pay checks no matter of the results. And they don't dare because LH needs its feed, UK included. And they are already wiped out of the market by LCC and BA. Check the numbers.
DeleteBut wouldn’t you rather fly on OU to LGW from RJK on A220 it’s much superior service than BA
DeleteBritish Airways has never flown to Rijeka. And Croatia Airlines will not be using its A220s to fly from Gatwick to Rijeka but to Split.
DeleteMonarch launched MAN-ZAG and failed. Ryanair tried ZAG-MAN and failed but you are right, OU which doesn't care about operating commercially will do just fine and keep this route. After all Kucko did admit that all of their routes in winter are loss making. It's time for OU to launch MAN in late October or even better in the first week of November.
DeleteExactly, once they have A220s then they have no excuse not go heavy on UK market, use LHR slots in the summer only for ZAG, buy slots in MAN & daily or 2 daily in LGW and launch direct LGW to both DBV & SPU, they would be so profitable and would make the money spent on slots back within one season.
DeleteI welcomed FR to ZAG and I still like FR being in ZAG. It means a lot to passengers, with better prices and more options, and it's not bad for the airport, raising pax numbers and additional income for auxiliary pax services. Also, cutting routes where yields are not satisfactory and increasing frequencies on more profitable routes is normal way of operations of LCC everywhere. Nothing dramatic. Nothing spectacular. And volume of traffic which is approximately same compared to the last winter just show that those yelling : "That's it, beginning of an end, they are withdrawing" were simply wrong and FR is in ZAG to stay. Yes, their growth is not fast as expected, but I can live with it, as even with current services they contribute to ZAG traffic a lot. And I know I will be boring for some of you, but I simply have to say this once again : FR is not problem in ZAG. OU is the problem. Flag carrier of the country with huge wasted potential, totally inert, incompetent, stuck in the past, corrupt, inefficient, loss making, tiny and irrelevant feeder, which failed to take advantage of the biggest air traffic market in ex-yu, with the best transfer position, huge tourism and significant diaspora, all pre-conditions to make ZAG hub for the SE Europe.
ReplyDeleteAll the haters in the comments know this. They also know that Ryanair cuts hundreds (yes, literally hundreds) of routes every year and adds hundreds of new ones. It's how profitable businesses operate. But the haters are going to hate anyway.
Delete@Anonymous 12:34 , the biggest hater of ZAG and OU is above you !
DeleteThere are enough airports in South and East Europe, without flag carriers or just as weak as OU, which still have a much higher and faster growth than Zagreb. Albania, Kosovo, Bulgaria, Romania, CZ.
DeletePozdrav is not a hater. He repeats the same points over and over again but they are valid. Haters are all these comments above that spout nonsense about Zagreb losing money with each Ryanair flight, Ryanair flying for two euros, Ryanair about to leave Zagreb, people in Zagreb not flying etc.
Delete@18.40
DeleteThanks mate. He knows it as well. But he has Party duty to call me hater. Kradeze Mafia Convicted Criminal Organization has mantra Kradeze = Hrvatska. Anyone daring criticizing them, their policies and their theft is automatically hater. Me on this blog. And don't worry, coming from people who destroy our country or advocating them, I consider their 'hater" an appraisal.
Pozdrav iz Rijeke, one aproprirate video for you :) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXTQeSGJjGM
DeleteAnd that's just the tip of the iceberg. I said to mark my words, and it's all coming to life - Full-service carriers are weakening and Ryan is stepping back. End result? ZAG with no connectivity.
Why is OU here to blame? I don't get that part, but nevertheless, this OU is to blame for everything thesis is worn out. And this comment that this is because of an aggressive OU campaign against FR? Haha, all I have to say about that. FR is the only company that doesn't give the sh** about what others are saying. The reason for them stepping back is no more subsidies and not reaching their 90%+ average LF.
Oh and Anon 18:40, please take a dictionary and look up the word "hater". The fact is that FR has the lowest fees ad ZAG. The fact is that ZAG is losing money with FR flights (or losing opportunity cost) and to prove that just one short bullet point - FR insists on airbridge gates without using an actual bridge (because usage of the bridge is charged separately, look in the ZAG's pricelist, it's public). The gate is therefore blocked for FR because of their contract. Other carriers that would use the airbridge (and pay for it) have to park elsewhere - money on airbridge usage is lost. The fact is that FR passengers are cheap - most of them not using check-in desks and BHS - something that full-service passengers would use and pay for it. The fact is that Ryanair will never leave ZAG in full (only if ZAG hopefully pushes them away), but it will reduce the connectivity dramatically. If not before in a few years when the A320 fleet will be up for a replacement (yes that will happen soon). And most importantly, people in Zagreb are flying, but there is a very small pool of passengers (relatively low population, somewhat weakish economy, different traveling habits, etc.). How on Earth am I a hater for stating the facts?
I don't understand how you can't get it - FR routes are closed because of expired subsidies. Other full-service carriers can't compete with them on P2P passengers, therefore full-service carriers will go away. And in the end, FR will close most of the routes, leaving ZAG with no connectivity. It's not rocket science.
Pozdrav iz Rijeke, I would really like to speak with you in person. For real. If you are up for it drop a comment.
I would gladly talk to you if you work for OU or Transportation Ministry, and have even remote possibility to influence disastrous situation in OU, which is the main reason why ZAG is stagnating, and wish to change it. Otherwise, don't see any reason why should we talk in person.
DeleteBtw, comment on agressive OU campaign was sarcasm, joke
Deletewell, meanwhile, Wizz is stationing a fourth A321 in Belgrade, despite strong competition from Air Serbia. Why don't others take the chance in ZG where Ou is so weak?
Delete@10:18 wins the vanity award for 2023. How do you know Zagreb is losing money with Ryanair flights? Also, if that's true, then isn't it a good thing that Ryanair is scaling back their growth? How many times per day does it happen that all airbrushes are in use and that Ryanair is blocking the gate? Zero. Croatia Airlines' Dash fleet always uses the bus gates anyway. Your other "facts" are ridiculous too - what on Earth does it mean that Ryanair passengers are cheap? A passenger is a passenger. I flew Ryanair from Zagreb last month and spent ninety euros in the dirt free store. Had there not been a cheap Ryanair flight, I would have spent zero because I wouldn't have been there.
Delete@Pozdrav he doesn't work for the Ministry. He works for a foreign airline.
Delete@12:38 because Belgrade is the biggest city in Ex-Yu with a booming foreign population that needs to fly to get home, with poor rail and road links to Europe including its immediate neighbours, with borders surrounding it everywhere that make car journeys long and unpredictable, with no major airport to take away passengers from it, with strong outbound demand due to rapidly rising incomes and with a competent national airline based there. All the things that Zagreb doesn't have.
DeleteZAG performance started to slow down in May and June. This is another indication 2023 will end softer than expected for ZAG.
ReplyDelete3,5 mil
DeleteA slowdown in growth is still growth. Zagreb is growing above European average.
DeleteZagreb being superior to most of Europe feels great. Sit back and relax. Why try harder?
Delete"Anonymous13:48
DeleteZAG performance started to slow down in May and June. This is another indication 2023 will end softer than expected for ZAG."
Trolling trolling trolling, hurah !!!
^ What is exactly trolling in those statements? Did you see the growth rate for May and June?
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DeleteBecause you're talking nonsense, you're totally clueless and post what you wish and hope it happens, just for spite. You have no idea how market will play, June was underwhelming yes, that is true, but considering how it performed in 2019 and noumber of flight operations to noumber of flight operations in 2023, figure is very good. In June 2019 Airport had 41gKFtogHYuTLgtmff2zbx9hk7DWS8VB612gDjf1YFPsfT66jV4UFCBNJSsUKKBpwf9y4CunA1UoucxSkm8NLtmRFxDFATc81.6. In June 2023, airport had 41gKFtogHYuTLgtmff2zbx9hk7DWS8VB612gDjf1YFPsfT66jV4UFCBNJSsUKKBpwf9y4CunA1UoucxSkm8NLtmRFxDFATc to other cities due to weather conditions, so number could have been around 350 000 had this not happened. Suffice to say, load factor for June 2023 is 86.3, or 6.25% higher than in 2019. Had airport fully recovered all its flight operations and slight growth of 1% on 2019, you’d be looking at 4165 flight operations and 360 000 passengers. Airport own projections where 385 000, slight dip in what they expected and what they realized. Also this isn’t a sprint, it is a marathon. So don’t judge one year or a month as the end of the world disaster sort of thing, figures go up and down. Airport is on course to make 3.8 million pax this year, way above expectations of 3.5-3.6 million.
https://www.zagreb-airport.hr/en/business/b2b/statistics/statistics-for-2023/816https://www.zagreb-airport.hr/en/business/b2b/statistics/statistics-for-2023/816
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Delete^ What is exactly trolling in those statements? Did you see the growth rate for May and June?
Because you're talking nonsense, you're totally clueless and post what you wish and hope it happens, just for spite. You have no idea how market will play, June was underwhelming yes, that is true, but considering how it performed in 2019 and noumber of flight operations to noumber of flight operations in 2023, figure is very good. In June 2019 Airport
had 4124 flight operations and 336 600 passangers, or average load factor for June 2019 being 81.6. In June 2023, airport had 4017 flight operations and carried 347 000 passengershad to other cities due to weather conditions, so number could have been around 350 000 had this not happened. Suffice to say, load factor for June 2023 is 86.3, or 6.25% higher than in 2019. Had airport fully recovered all its flight operations and slight growth of 1% on 2019, you’d be looking at 4165 flight operations and 360 000 passengers. Airport own projections where 385 000, slight dip in what they expected and what they realized. Also this isn’t a sprint, it is a marathon. So don’t judge one year or a month as the end of the world disaster sort of thing, figures go up and down. Airport is on course to make 3.8 million pax this year, way above expectations of 3.5-3.6 million.
https://www.zagreb-airport.hr/en/business/b2b/statistics/statistics-for-2023/816
I'm sorry to tell you but weather had nothing to do with the numbers. I am not a hater, jealous, nationalist or anything of the sort. I work in the aviation industry and can tell you right now that July performance will also be soft in Zagreb. How do I know? Because I can see the capacity levels in Zagreb this July and it is actually below 2019 level. Yes, passenger numbers will be up because, as you rightly say, load factor is higher than it was in 2019 but this will result in around 5% growth. Anyway we will see in 2-3 weeks when numbers are posted.
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DeleteThen you know noumber of carriers are still absent from Zagreb, all of them plan to return, Air Canada, Korean Air, Emirates and few others.... Croatian Airlines hasn't recovered @Zagreb at all, it is 12% down on 2019 figures. 2024 should be interesting.
Anon 9:37 I’m not trying to defend Zagreb but in the last 7 days Lot only used e195 once the was e170 or e175
ReplyDeleteThere are several airlines increasing Turkish, Qatar and Flydubai the combined there will be a total of around 11 more weekly rotations
Yet that same LO you mentioned did not boost ZAG despite boosting both capacity and frequency to several regional airports this winter. So we are celebrating foreign carriers having an additional 11 weekly frequencies? Are you aware that is not even 2 daily flights?
DeleteBravo! :D
ReplyDeleteIsn't the real question, why does Zagreb hold no real or significant interest for airlines? Because it's a tiny regional capital with very little to offer as a destination or major population as a travelling market. Post Yugoslav regional outposts of small new countries....like in many industries, of course it was much better off as Yugoslavia. Now. Let's see the shit hit the fan.
ReplyDeleteTrolling trolling trolling, hurah !!!
DeleteQuo vadis Agram as they would say! Now the time is right for some soul searching. Turks running the show in ZAG need to ask themselves why FR did not expand this winter season by adding a new sun destination like Porto, Lisbon, Barcelona, Valencia, Tenerife... Croats love to travel and they have the money for it but they need more nonstop flights. The government should give them even more subsidies to introduce flights instead of just adding more flights to gasto destinations. Next summer Ryanair should try to develop a new market out of Zagreb, to think outside the box by introducing flights to Constanta. Slovenians are globetrotters and they would welcome such destinations as well.
ReplyDeleteNow it's the time to make a bold move and not to retreat!
Subsidies should be illegal.
DeleteI would rather say that they slowly are coming to the realization about the Croatian market.... There is no demand. There is no outgoing. It's weak.
ReplyDeleteThere is "no demand" in your world. In the real world, Zagreb is the second biggest Ex-Yu airport.
DeleteAlso in the real world: Ryanair has three A320s in Zagreb plus flights which are operated by 737s from other bases.
And is number 98 in Europe. Bravo Hrvatska
DeleteNo demand for Croatia, LOL!! I guess that's why Croatia makes up almost 50% of all air traffic in ex yu and constantly has its main 3 airports in the top five.
DeleteBecause of no demand. Smh.