I really liked them. Sad to see them go. I was hoping TAP Express might take over the route but unfortunately not. According to amadeus their operations are

E195 from Lisbon - Nice, Funchal, Lyon St. Exupéry, Nantes, Bordeaux, Paris Orly, Faroand Madrid Barajas. From 1 May Marseilles, Toulouse Blagnac, and Barcelona El Prat. From 1 June Algier and Porto.

E195 from Porto - Geneva, Funchal, and Madrid Barajas

ATR72 from Lisbon - Porto, Seville, La Coruna, Asturias,Casablanca Int'l, Tangiers. From 1 June Valencia Manises. Bilbao. From July 1 Marrakech.

OT: LOT plans on launching DEL (Delhi) from next year. It is reported that Air India will cooperate with LO.

A bit adventurous, no?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Polands-LOT-to-link-Warsaw-Delhi/articleshow/48181881.cms

When TAP suspended BEG it was descrbied as the apocalypse by many here.

TP in Zagreb was way too good to be true to last.

When did they start flying to ZAG?

This way Zagreb also looses Bologna service.

It's not surprising. Ex-YU to LIS is a long, thin line out of a low-yielding market.

I will be curious to see how OK does in ZAG. Their fares seem to be more than ok, they charge €152 for a return flight. They are not the cheapest but this is so much less from what they used to charge in BEG.

They refused to code-share with JU so who knows... maybe at some point they also return to BEG.

They need to grow and launching DEL is a very good move. From Delhi they could offer all of India, Sri Lanka as well as the whole of the ASEAN region.
It's a route that could get feed on both ends. Now, the unfortunate thing for the passengers is that they will be connecting onto Air India.

With all the new destinations announced, it makes me wonder how LOT plans on making it all work with 'just' 6 B787.

Yeah, it could possibly work, but DEL is extremely low yielding.

I think that JFK, ORD, LHR, and YYZ will be good markets out of DEL for LO.

By GCM, DEL to JFK is only an additional 3.1% distance via WAW. DEL to YYZ via WAW is only an additional 4.8% and DEL to ORD via WAW is only an additional 6.4% distance. DEL to LHR via WAW is the same distance as non-stop. The shortest route between Delhi and London overflies Warsaw.

WAW is in a great position to capture India to North America traffic. The only other hubs that are more convenient, from a geography standpoint, are Moscow and Helsinki.

If LOT can make their costs incredibly low, this might be successful. If not, they will quickly realize why so many airlines failed in DEL.

On the topic of ATRs, I wonder when ASL will be getting more. Not much time left...

I don't think DEL is a low-yielding market, high end passengers are there, airlines just have to have the right approach so as to 'capture' them.
Airlines such as Emirates, Qatar, British Airways, Finnair... all rely, to a certain extent, on premium passengers travelling to/from DEL.

Lot has a decent enough product on their B787 so I am sure they can get quite a few passengers, especially with the feed Air India can provide them with.

TAP is also suspending Hanover this summer.

2004 I think.

Yeah loss of Bologna is indeed bit of a downer, however TAP wasn't cheap option for South American connection, at first yes it was one of the few options for many travelers, but now Paris, Frankfurt and London are cheaper alternatives. TAP had good run, they might return however I think them leaving Zagreb is bit of a downer, right now there are few options for direct connection with Portugal, I guess there's a room for Iberia now to introduce year round service.

Yeah loss of Bologna is indeed bit of a downer, however TAP wasn't cheap option for South American connection, at first yes it was one of the few options for many travelers, but now Paris, Frankfurt and London are cheaper alternatives. TAP had good run, they might return however I think them leaving Zagreb is bit of a downer, right now there are few options for direct connection with Portugal, I guess there's a room for Iberia now to introduce year round service.

agree other options have become far cheaper and TAP was extremely unreliable last summer. Late planes, often cancelled flights due to lack of aircraft...

So this is how it all slowly begins. :( Too many airlines have launched ZAG in a short time. I hope it ends with TP.

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CEO Etihada Hogan najavljuje letove za Čikago i Toronto za dve do tri godine tek pošto se uvere kako funkcioniše JFK.
http://rs.n1info.com/a126777/Biznis/Eti ... rbiji.html

Kad pocnu konacno jednom da rizikuju i da nekoce sami sebe .
INN-NS

OS pravi odlicne rezultete i nije toliko nisko platezno trziste kao sto se misli.
Najvise konektuju dale prema LHR i USA preko VIE indijci.
INN-NS

Bologna? Did they fly BLQ-ZAG-LIS ??

It was LIS-BQN-ZAG during the winter

INN je u pravu. Ljudi sa srpskim državljanstvom u Portugalu nema ni 500. Ne verujem ni da ima više ljudi sa srpskim poreklom.

U Južnoj Americi celoj ne znam ni da li ima 25.000 Srba.

Za razliku od srednje i istoćne Evrope, ekonomska povezanost Srbije sa ovim zemljama je vrlo mala. Sve se svodi na turizam i na egzotičnost (dakle, Portugal je još uvek egzotična destinacija i više ljudi još uvk ide npr. u Maroko i Tunis).

Da rezimiramo: gotovo bez redovnih O&D putnika, sa vrlo malo potražnje za dalje konekcije ka Južnoj Americi i sa sve skupa (kako sa Portugalom, tako i sa JA), slabim ekonomskim vezama.

Što se tiče Zagreba, tu imamo bolju situaciju u pogledu etničkih veza sa Južnom Amerikom, ali koliko znam, tu već imamo Iberiju?

Sad news for ZAG but also good move for TAP. The launch of a low-cost filiate is a typical example of many other carriers such as Iberia/Iberia Express and Vueling. Air France/Hop, Lufthansa/Eurowings, Air Canada/Rouge, etc, etc. I guess this will be the future focused on low-cost travel.

Prestanite da se zavaravate ne mogu legacy kompanije da imaju lowcost deo cak i kad tamo salju isluzene avione kao Germanwings. To je propast u najavi. Sve je to sranje i mesanje bezveznih kvaziekonomista. kad imas tap express onda ce ljudi traziti iste cene od tap-a.

Does anyone have SKP airport no. of paxes for each route ? Admin if you, please post :)

Jel se može dogoditi čudo tako da broj putnika na kraju godine u Zagrebu bude 3 milijuna?

ASL needs ATRs and regional jets fast!
The reliability of the old fleet is awful.

Jel to INN kritikovao ASL? Bože šta sam doživeo.

In the last few weeks INN-NS actually said a lot of decent stuff in my opinion. Even his destination picks are more realistic now! The kid is learning

As anything else, to Portugal via Germany.

http://rs.n1info.com/a126777/Biznis/Etihad-o-Er-Srbiji.html
Etihad CEO Hogan says flights from BEG to YYZ and ORD might start within 2 to 3 years from now. I dont get the logic here since would that not be too late? Unless they are not planning an Asian destination, why wait so long for expansion in American continent. Of course I understand they have to test the market and see how NYC flights will go, but regardless 2 to 3 years seems too late to me.

Same here, it's odd to say the least.

Odlična vest. Dokaz da Etihad ozbiljno računa na JU i spremna je da je podrži. Ostalo će zavisiti od buduće vlade koja će nadam se biti ozbiljnija i stručnija od sadašnje. Treba se držati planova koje je zacrtao Etihad koji bi trebali da u 2020. stvore od JU kompaniju koja je iste snage kao LO i glavni njen konkurent. Te godine bi pored sadašnjih linija i najavljenih JFK, ORD, YYZ takođe i PEK, tokom zimskih meseci BKK, a u radijusu uskotrupa još BCN, LED, VCE, IKA, AMM, KBP, TIP i CAI. Samo ne treba navaljivati i razbacivati se parama, zapošljavati nestručne i uzimati pod zakup previše poslovnih prostora.

To je jedina kritika sto sporo reaguju na otvaranje linija npr LO.
Treba zameniti 5 Atr i dovesti jos 6 E195.
Ja sam cesto namerno lupetao razne destinacije da bi malo ove posebne zezao.,
INN-NS

Do tada će oni 10 puta bankrotirati

Testing the market as a reason for 2-3 year delay does not sound plausible, Balkans to NYC market is dominated by StarAlliance and they are ready and capable of dumping over the next 2-3 years if JU plans on having only one route. There shouldn't be any major surprises on JFK route performance.

I would take his words on next destination with a grain a salt. As a reminder, he talked about ORD, not JFK, as JU's first destination in North America. On 14 May 2014 he said: "We will launch new routes and Chicago is the first destination we are thinking of. It is a logical choice since it is home not only to the largest Serbian diaspora but also others from the former Yugoslavia” source: http://www.exyuaviation.com/2014/05/faa-to-make-serbia-decision-in-july.html

Second A330 was announced for later this year and there are different opinions on the purpose. Vucic hinted on 9 Nov 2015: "The next long haul service could be Beijing. We talked about this" source: http://www.exyuaviation.com/2015/11/air-serbia-tipped-for-big-announcement.html

We had opposing announcements from GoS reps and EY/JU reps before, it is possible they are shifting gears on the fly or simply trying to keep things under wraps for now.

Two scenarios are possible:

Second A330 is going to be used to start PEK in late 2015 or early 2016, with YYZ and ORD opening in 2-3 years; or:

Second A330 will be used to start ORD and YYZ earlier than 2-3 years from now, perhaps as early as 2016.

Do you mean late 2016 or early 2017, in your second last paragraph?

Nije mi jasno zasto tek za 2-3 Godine ?
Do tad ce LO mozda imati 10 788 a ASL tek dva 332 i problem ce biti privuci putnike posle .
ASL je trebao po mom misljenu poceti odma JFK zajedno sa YYZ i PEK ali to je samo moje misljene , a pre toga IKA, KWI, KBP, HEL i INN i jos neke destinacije.
INN-NS

Ko kaze da se linija otvara samo radi njih ?
I vama se nista ne isplati kao vecini narodu ko ne rizikuje ne moze ni da ostvari nista a pogotovu ne u Avio industriji
INN-NS

Jeste ti ces godisnje da vozis 50000 Iranaca i Purgera pride za Toronto.

Ja ne znam ni jednu kompaniju koja sluzi samo za prevoz sopstvene nacije .
A to sto vecina nema volje ili misli da se nista ne isplati osim kukati na trenutnu vlast nije niko kriv .
Da YYZ bi odlicno radio i kakve veze ima sto bi se prevozili Iranci ili Hrvati nije bitno ko je putnik nego da kompanija odlicno posluje.
INN-NS

@INN 10:10 koliko pre par sati si rekao da TAP nije imao šanse u Zagrebu i Beogradu jer malo Srba i Hrvata živi u Portugalu..

everything is possible, with Croatian tourism experiencing good growth, Zagreb experiencing 11-12% yoy growth for the past 4 years, everything is possible even the 3.0 million visitors, however not likely as OU is still stagnating, however 250 000 more pax is possible this year.

TP ima za cilj prevoz putnika za Juznu Ameriku sto takodje malo Hrvata i Srba zivi tamo .
ASL imace za cilj prevoz putnika za USA gde ima znato vise ljudi koje moze prevoziti
A za TP vam je objasnio odlicno gore Gospodin .
INN-NS

We need a 420 000 more pax to Zagreb this year to incrase 3 mil passenger in 2015. That's about 14% more passengers. Do you think that's possible this year? Ok, Air Transat lounches one week flight to Toronto, CSA is coming back, LOT has alreday started it's flight to Warsaw, Qatar Airways will launch 10 times per weak flights, KLM i Air France will use larger jets, lufthansa added one more daily flight..but I don't think it's enough for 14% more passengers this year.

Edit: "... in 2016".

Ne pitam gospodina nego tebe.. A post ti je obrisan pa se sada krijes iza gospodinovog..

Ja svaki post sto ovde napisem potpisem sa INN-NS i ne bojim se reci svoje misljenje u oci kao vi ili se krijem iz Anonymous-a nekih.
A jedan deo mojih postova se brise zbog vasih budalastina kao i da vecina vasih komentara se brise pa se vidi ko je upravu.
INN-NS

Anon at 8:28

Thanks for correction, I did mean 2016 and 2017. It should say: "Second A330 is going to be used to start PEK in late 2016 or early 2017, with YYZ and ORD opening in 2-3 years; or: Second A330 will be used to start ORD and YYZ earlier than 2-3 years from now, perhaps as early as 2016"

To add, once JFK is operational and second A330 is available ORD should be an easy addition, no further approvals are needed. However for YYZ additional Transport Canada approval is needed.

We will need to see a LCC base an aircraft or 2 in Zagreb and soon to see 3 million pax for 2016 I think. Personally I see this happening from 2017.

I think Zagreb will have very impressive growth in the later part of this decade with at least 4 million passengers by 2020.

Yeah, LH is adding another flight but the number of seats remains pretty much the same.